Brace Ban

The #1 community for Gun Owners in Indiana

Member Benefits:

  • Fewer Ads!
  • Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership
  • Discuss anti-gun legislation
  • Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section
  • Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses
  • Discover free outdoor shooting areas
  • View up to date on firearm-related events
  • Share photos & video with other members
  • ...and so much more!
  • Denny347

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    21   0   0
    Mar 18, 2008
    13,432
    149
    Napganistan
    There are more than 2 teams

    whw6fnW.jpg
     

    Trigger Time

    Air guitar master
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 98.6%
    204   3   0
    Aug 26, 2011
    40,112
    113
    SOUTH of Zombie city
    I would encourage everyone to read the declaration of independence.
    Specifically the greiviences they had against the king and england.

    This will not be fixed any easy way folks. Everyone knows whats coming. Get your own house in order. Enjoy life with family and friends.
    The power players will move the chess pieces when its time. We are just cannon fodder and seriously can do nothing at this time.

    Used to be a time in this country where the actual people had power. And elected officials actually feared betraying their oaths.
    Now if someone threatens a good tar and feathering they will most likely get red flagged and have a swat team at their door.
    I cry for my country. The government is filled with tyrants.
     
    Last edited:

    Trigger Time

    Air guitar master
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 98.6%
    204   3   0
    Aug 26, 2011
    40,112
    113
    SOUTH of Zombie city
    Oh and people who agree with expanded background checks and brace bans and bumpstock bans and nfa laws and more and more 2nd amendment compromises and call themselves Americans and gun owners, they need to start being publicly shamed by the rest of us. The real patriots who will keep this country alive.
    If you agree with more restrictions then you are a ****ing retarded traitor and I hope your dick falls off. You are a disgrace to freedom and your country if you support any of this BS. Also a damn disgrace if you never get off your ass to write and call your elected officials.
    Im not going to be cordial with Tories.
    Tory; an American colonist who supported the British side during the American Revolution.
     

    Jludo

    Master
    Rating - 100%
    3   0   0
    Feb 14, 2013
    4,164
    48
    Indianapolis
    Oh and people who agree with expanded background checks and brace bans and bumpstock bans and nfa laws and more and more 2nd amendment compromises and call themselves Americans and gun owners, they need to start being publicly shamed by the rest of us. The real patriots who will keep this country alive.
    If you agree with more restrictions then you are a ****ing retarded traitor and I hope your dick falls off. You are a disgrace to freedom and your country if you support any of this BS. Also a damn disgrace if you never get off your ass to write and call your elected officials.
    Im not going to be cordial with Tories.
    Tory; an American colonist who supported the British side during the American Revolution.

    Be careful,Trump might see this and take it as a threat.
     

    Trigger Time

    Air guitar master
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 98.6%
    204   3   0
    Aug 26, 2011
    40,112
    113
    SOUTH of Zombie city
    Be careful,Trump might see this and take it as a threat.
    It doesnt matter who is the head of the snake. The snake is a snake.
    The government corruption is so deep that it is unable to ever be fixed
    It is beyond repair at this point.
    I'm just predicting the future is all. No threats from me.
     

    churchmouse

    I still care....Really
    Emeritus
    Rating - 100%
    187   0   0
    Dec 7, 2011
    191,809
    152
    Speedway area
    There are more than 2 teams

    Well..........not really.
    Who would this 3rd team be.

    I am no fan of this current 2 party system. Not in the least but I have zero confidence and do not even really like this mystical 3rd team. So here we are again. Catch 22 at least in my mind.

    Until we unseat those who are actually pulling the strings we are stuck in this rut hence my original question......Whats to be done now.

    I agree with Denny (:runaway:) as to what might come with the balance of power but to let the left get a solid foot hold will be a disaster.
     

    churchmouse

    I still care....Really
    Emeritus
    Rating - 100%
    187   0   0
    Dec 7, 2011
    191,809
    152
    Speedway area
    Well, if punishing the R's by not voting for them is out, how exactly do we plan to prevent them from betraying us (again)? Monolithically voting for one party based on a perceived support of specific rights, REGARDLESS of how they actually vote on said rights, is a very quick way to be marginalized. If they can do whatever they want and people still vote for them, they have no incentive to do anything. Just look at how the Democrats run. There are several large groups that pretty much always vote Democrat no matter what and because of that, the Dems pretend to care about their issues and then ignore them after the election (see the African American community as a whole).

    If gun owners are going to always vote Republican no matter how much gun control the Republicans pass, guess what... we will be ignore after the election is over and continue to get burned.



    At the risk of agreeing with the infamous Denny, this is 100% correct. The only time you can count on Republicans to even pretend to be small government, pro-Constitution, conservatives is when the Democrats are in power.

    Short term, having a Democrat win the White House will be bad for the 2nd Amendment. Longer term, letting Donald Trump continue to wipe his @ss with the Constitution for another 5 years will likely prove catastrophic for both the Republican party (though I think the Republicans are already a dead-party-walking at this point) and the American people.

    :faint:
     

    Jludo

    Master
    Rating - 100%
    3   0   0
    Feb 14, 2013
    4,164
    48
    Indianapolis
    If the R's maintain the Senate and a D takes the White House, it seems that the R's are more apt to stonewall ANY talk of taking guns rights away...even an inch. Currently, we are hearing R's give in to SOME restrictions because Trump seems to like the idea. These same R's would likely hold fast against a D President. What do I know...

    I think you're right, Repubs and Dems both ultimately only care about keeping their seats. Like when Obama was in office the Repubs seemed more willing to fight on conservative issues. It may end up being better for 2a to vote a Democrat president into office and a Republican into the house/senate. Forces Republicans to act more Republican if they get to play up the resistance narrative.
     

    BiscuitsandGravy

    Future 'shootered'
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 100%
    11   0   0
    Nov 8, 2016
    3,921
    113
    At the Ranch.
    My point was that your 'choices/decisions/votes' have consequences. I tell my teenage sons that you 'have choices' but you choose to accept the consequences of your choices- good or bad. "You can choose to do that, but you also choose to accept the consequences of your decision." And being a Father, sometimes that may not be what they want.

    Same with R's, we've been down this road... If they hose the 2A voters, what do we do, keep voting them in and take it? Thanks, may I have another.

    Be responsible to your constituents. Not the mob or whoever is yelling the loudest. Now that's a novel idea.
     

    Ziggidy

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0
    May 7, 2018
    7,328
    113
    Ziggidyville
    Ok. How will a night of losses help our cause if the left takes full control. This is a terrible catch 22 for us all and I see the issues very clearly “But”
    How will putting the Billery’s Bernie’s and Beto’s in charge help. They will waste zero time going full AWB on us. And please do not say this is a protest thing because nobody in power cares. It is what they want.

    Now what do we do.

    +1
     

    WebSnyper

    Time to make the chimichangas
    Rating - 100%
    59   0   0
    Jul 3, 2010
    15,651
    113
    127.0.0.1
    If the R's maintain the Senate and a D takes the White House, it seems that the R's are more apt to stonewall ANY talk of taking guns rights away...even an inch. Currently, we are hearing R's give in to SOME restrictions because Trump seems to like the idea. These same R's would likely hold fast against a D President. What do I know...

    I think you're right, Repubs and Dems both ultimately only care about keeping their seats. Like when Obama was in office the Repubs seemed more willing to fight on conservative issues. It may end up being better for 2a to vote a Democrat president into office and a Republican into the house/senate. Forces Republicans to act more Republican if they get to play up the resistance narrative.

    I'm fine with gridlock. The legislative branch seems to think passing legislation is a good thing. I generally think new laws are a bad thing, unless they are repealing some previously passed restriction of my rights, etc.

    I agree, when things are divided and gridlock is happening, we can often be better of as citizens than when misguided legislation from either side is passing into law.
     

    Ziggidy

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0
    May 7, 2018
    7,328
    113
    Ziggidyville
    My fear if we turned our backs on the GOP and became apathetic, did not vote or vote for the enemy; well my fear is we will not get another chance to save what little we have left. The socialists have already declared what they want to do; take from "us". Take everything, guns, money, healthcare, education and such. They want to control it all and I believe if they get into power, they will forever change this country. Like or not, Trump is our best option. Like it or not, voting for the opposition or not voting at all will result in failure.

    We are faced with changes unlike ever before. Childish individuals who will not support the GOP because they do not get 100% of their way are actually turning their back on the rest of us who support the 2A and America. Just like the left has slowly taken away our freedoms, we must slowly regain them. Winning one election will not change anything; however, losing one at this point in time, is beyond critical.

    We are at war....you win some battles and lose some - but ever give up or turn your back on what made us great; otherwise we all lose - the war.
     

    Ggreen

    Person
    Rating - 100%
    49   0   0
    Sep 19, 2016
    3,686
    77
    SouthEast
    R losses won't effect gun legislation. They have proven over and over the last 3 years to aid gun control measures. They grandstand and twist words to keep their base calm. R or D, it's the same thing.
     

    Karl-just-Karl

    Retired
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Nov 5, 2014
    1,205
    113
    NE
    Not to take this farther off the rails then it has already gone, but I guess I'm going to do it anyway...

    When confronted by anti-gun people I have just started advocating holding a Constitutional Convention.

    Let us do away with the ambiguity, the questioning, the SCOTUS that won't/can't make a ruling to silence the Anti-2A crowd.

    Do we (as a nation) repeal the right to bear firearms or not? It is probably an oversimplification. If the amendment passes then we follow the law and surrender our firearms under threat of the penalty of law. If the amendment does not pass then the question is answered and the Anti-2A folks can suck it up.

    If nothing else it sure would be interesting to watch! I'm probably too overconfident that the amendment would never even come close to passing.
     

    WebSnyper

    Time to make the chimichangas
    Rating - 100%
    59   0   0
    Jul 3, 2010
    15,651
    113
    127.0.0.1
    Not to take this farther off the rails then it has already gone, but I guess I'm going to do it anyway...

    When confronted by anti-gun people I have just started advocating holding a Constitutional Convention.

    Let us do away with the ambiguity, the questioning, the SCOTUS that won't/can't make a ruling to silence the Anti-2A crowd.

    Do we (as a nation) repeal the right to bear firearms or not? It is probably an oversimplification. If the amendment passes then we follow the law and surrender our firearms under threat of the penalty of law. If the amendment does not pass then the question is answered and the Anti-2A folks can suck it up.

    If nothing else it sure would be interesting to watch! I'm probably too overconfident that the amendment would never even come close to passing.

    I'm of the mind that cracking open the Constitution these days would be a bad thing. I see no gain for 2A supporters in doing so...
     

    churchmouse

    I still care....Really
    Emeritus
    Rating - 100%
    187   0   0
    Dec 7, 2011
    191,809
    152
    Speedway area
    I'm of the mind that cracking open the Constitution these days would be a bad thing. I see no gain for 2A supporters in doing so...

    In that what Green said yes, R/D is hard to see much of a difference in this political climate.
    There are so many enemy's of the doctrines that got all of this started oh so many years ago. To open it up to its enemy's and the forces they control could be very very ugly.
     
    Top Bottom