Buddy is convinced that CZ is the best pistol on the market...

[wtburnette]

At 7 yards it would be hard to say that any of the popular guns were not plenty accurate, and I think all of your choices are good guns. For a carry gun I would prefer a lighter polymer gun and might go with an m&p.

For a range gun or a competition gun, the cz's are typically mechanically more accurate and to me much easier to shoot accurately and consistently at speed (my triggers are a very clean +- 2.5 # with very little reset distance) and I feel like I can get back on target quicker with an all metal gun than with a lighter plastic gun. From a 'fun to shoot' aspect I also like the way the metal guns (cz or 1911) soak up recoil.

None of that may be of much importance to the next person, but that is this persons answer to your question.

I, too, prefer the all metal guns to the poly guns. Just something about an all metal hammer fired gun

The only poly gun I have left is my Shield.

 

[88E30M50]

For years, I stayed away from polymer guns. Steel is comfortable. Then I bought a Glock and came to the realization that they have their place. Still, I stayed away from the CZ poly guns for a long time because I did not care for the looks and the niche that a poly gun filled was already taken by my Glocks. With the recent P07 purchase and the hot steamy weather, I'm becoming a fan of poly guns. The P07 is a nice blend of CZ ergos, with a near 1911 trigger feel in SA and the sweat resistance of the Glock.

Then again, I'm fickled when it comes to new guns. I tend to fall in love with whatever gun is in my hand at the moment.

 

[output]

There is no best, every pistol is a compromise in some way. Some do certain things better than other.s..but not a single make or model is perfect.

 

[Grelber]

sweat resistance

Just got these out to the range yesterday (I bought the option with no relief on the left side grip), if you like the stock rubber grips but want something more grippy these might make you happy. Mine need lock washers and I want to fiddle with fitment on one side (a bit sloppy now) , but I was really happy with how they felt on a sweat dripper day.





CZ 75 / SP01 Shadow Palm Swell Bogies G10 Grips by LokGrips

 

[88E30M50]

I am a big fan of G10 and run them on just about all of my carry guns that I can get them for. The 'sweat resistant' quality of the guns I was referring to was more an issue of rusting up. I've carried my 75B compact on a hot day and found a light coating of rust on the barrel hood afterwards. I could just bead blast the barrel hood and apply come cold blue to help retain the oil better but I'll grab any excuse that comes my way to justify another gun purchase.

 

[Grelber]

I could just bead blast the barrel hood and apply come cold blue to help retain the oil better but I'll grab any excuse that comes my way to justify another gun purchase.

For, the, win.



So far the only light rust issue I've had was on a stainless steel Sig. I had always believed that stainless steel was rustproof and I got a little negligent I guess.

 

[Tomc1947]

There is no best, every pistol is a compromise in some way. Some do certain things better than other.s..but not a single make or model is perfect.

This^. I really like my CZ's(9mm Rami and a CZ 83), but I also have a Beretta 84 and a Ruger Security Six, among others, that are just as nice.

 

[Birds Away]

When I see people discussing the pros and cons of CZ I always wonder which CZ are we talking about. A stock CZ and a Cajunized CZ are two different animals. The best way I could explain is to look at the NASCAR world. When you drive a Chevy Impala off the dealer's lot it isn't the same as the race cars that have the Chevy Impala decal on them at the race track. So, when discussing these it is helpful to mention whether you are talking about a stock gun or a Cajun gun.

 

[churchmouse]

Did a strip and clean on me "Cajun" 97 the other day.
Man that thing is full of ity-bity bits and pieces.......

 

[Birds Away]

Did a strip and clean on me "Cajun" 97 the other day.
Man that thing is full of ity-bity bits and pieces.......

Yeah, I don't venture in there beyond the basic barrel and wipe down. That is the Wizard's territory.

 

[seedubs1]

Cajunized CZ

 

[88E30M50]

Did a strip and clean on me "Cajun" 97 the other day.
Man that thing is full of ity-bity bits and pieces.......

I think that there are 3 levels of disassembly for a basic CZ. First, there's the field strip for cleaning which is just pulling the slide and removing the barrel and recoil spring. Second, you have the detail strip which involves pulling the grips, hammer, sear cage and if the floating trigger pin is installed, removing the trigger too. That takes it down far enough to do a bit of polishing, but isn't needed regularly. Third, there's the complete strip down which is removing the mag release spring retainer and mag release and lifter springs along with the slide stop retainer spring. This also would include stripping the slide and disassembling the sear cage. This is rarely needed unless doing some detail polish, refinishing or installing Cajun goodies.

I'm typically not one to remove roll pins without a darn good reason and I think this is where the clones fall short of the real deal CZ. The clones tend to use oversize roll pins for the trigger and hammer. I sure wish they just stuck with the normal pins like CZ uses, but I could see where roll pins could save machining and allow a bit looser tolerance allowance.

But, a stock CZ makes a great service pistol even without the Cajun goodies. Based on the 4 surplus I've bought and rebuilt, I'd say that none of them had ever been completely stripped in their lifetimes before they came to me.

 

[ruger1800]

For the price of a cz, you have to step up to a sig for something better.

 

[churchmouse]

I think that there are 3 levels of disassembly for a basic CZ. First, there's the field strip for cleaning which is just pulling the slide and removing the barrel and recoil spring. Second, you have the detail strip which involves pulling the grips, hammer, sear cage and if the floating trigger pin is installed, removing the trigger too. That takes it down far enough to do a bit of polishing, but isn't needed regularly. Third, there's the complete strip down which is removing the mag release spring retainer and mag release and lifter springs along with the slide stop retainer spring. This also would include stripping the slide and disassembling the sear cage. This is rarely needed unless doing some detail polish, refinishing or installing Cajun goodies.

I'm typically not one to remove roll pins without a darn good reason and I think this is where the clones fall short of the real deal CZ. The clones tend to use oversize roll pins for the trigger and hammer. I sure wish they just stuck with the normal pins like CZ uses, but I could see where roll pins could save machining and allow a bit looser tolerance allowance.

But, a stock CZ makes a great service pistol even without the Cajun goodies. Based on the 4 surplus I've bought and rebuilt, I'd say that none of them had ever been completely stripped in their lifetimes before they came to me.

I can completely dismantle a 1911 down to the frame/slide in pretty short order with just basic tools.
The reassembly after a complete cleaning is not near as tedious at least for me.
The design differences are amazing.

 

[Birds Away]

For the price of a cz, you have to step up to a sig for something better.

That's hilarious.

 

[llh1956]

CZ's are awesome

 

[llh1956]

Cajunized CZ's are more awesome

 

[seedubs1]

Wizardized CZ's are awesomer

Cajunized CZ's are more awesome

 

[bobjones223]

Did a strip and clean on me "Cajun" 97 the other day.
Man that thing is full of ity-bity bits and pieces.......

It gets easier on the fifth or sixth time.

 

[churchmouse]

It gets easier on the fifth or sixth time.

This was the 5th or 6th.................

I can do it just fine. I have to put my re-memory hat on and dial it in. As the wizard says, hold your mouth just right or you will those the Mother blah blah spring.
I almost did....