California NAACP wants to remove 'The Star-Spangled Banner' as national anthem

[1DOWN4UP]

Yea, on the modern day slavery.This is where to donate http://thenazarenefund.org/......they buy female slaves from North Africa(imagine that) and Muslim controlled areas . Average price is about $2000.00 to save,and relocate a young woman.It gets my goat to see people bithcing about something 200 years ago and will not do something about it going on today.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Yea, on the modern day slavery.This is where to donate http://thenazarenefund.org/......they buy female slaves from North Africa(imagine that) and Muslim controlled areas . Average price is about $2000.00 to save,and relocate a young woman.It gets my goat to see people bithcing about something 200 years ago and will not do something about it going on today.

These folks are doing something, both here and abroad. I've read some of their sting operations and they're hair raising.

OUR Stories - The Stories Behind Operation Underground Railroad

 

[JAL]

Hmmm . . .
Much ado about nothing. Yet more grandstanding for constituents and fund-raising. It's not going anywhere.

John

 

[Kutnupe14]

Those are what is known as facts. They have no place in this discussion. It's better just to get dog-whistled and scream about privilege.

By linguistic construction, yes, facts. But those facts are incorrect.

Why would Key watching a battle during the war f 1812, write about a war he was not in. It's clear throughout the poem/song, that the speaking of the bombardment of the fort, and how it endured. Secondly, (and this is the one that make the least sense out of that link), impressment was the essentially the kidnapping of American citizens to serve on British vessels. People who were "impressed" most certainly did NOT want to serve on British vessels. If "hirelings" are mercenaries who are willingly selling their military skills the British, and "slaves" are American citizens who most certainly weren't willingly serving, why are they BOTH listed as people who could not be saved from terror and death? That simply doesn't make any senses, as it would appear that killing kidnapped American citizens is as equally desired as mercenary soldiers. So it doesn't make sense.

 

[Kutnupe14]

kut, we know you're not an idiot. So the only explanation as to why you keep making these absurd leaps from our statements attempting to slam our character is that you are intentionally trying to start something.

Stop it.

I know you're not an idiot either. Snark gets snark, that's well known.

 

[Kutnupe14]

plenty of Caribbean islanders were grabbed for slavery also

Wait what? Now were calling involuntary conscription "slavery?" Yeah maybe for poor "row and live" Judah Ben Hur, but not so much for the concerns of this discussion.

 

[Woobie]

By linguistic construction, yes, facts. But those facts are incorrect.

Why would Key watching a battle during the war f 1812, write about a war he was not in. It's clear throughout the poem/song, that the speaking of the bombardment of the fort, and how it endured. Secondly, (and this is the one that make the least sense out of that link), impressment was the essentially the kidnapping of American citizens to serve on British vessels. People who were "impressed" most certainly did NOT want to serve on British vessels. If "hirelings" are mercenaries who are willingly selling their military skills the British, and "slaves" are American citizens who most certainly weren't willingly serving, why are they BOTH listed as people who could not be saved from terror and death? That simply doesn't make any senses, as it would appear that killing kidnapped American citizens is as equally desired as mercenary soldiers. So it doesn't make sense.

Maybe because, like it or not, they were both fighting against the U.S.

I don't know why they listed Hessians from 35 years prior in that link. But the Brits were certainly using mercenaries against us in 1812.

 

[Woobie]

Wait what? Now were calling involuntary conscription "slavery?" Yeah maybe for poor "row and live" Judah Ben Hur, but not so much for the concerns of this discussion.

Lol, what would you call it? "You're working for us now. Yeah, you're not making much, but don't worry, you're going to die soon anyway."

Involuntary- check
Hazardous- check
Minimal pay- check

 

[Kutnupe14]

Maybe because, like it or not, they were both fighting against the U.S.

I don't know why they listed Hessians from 35 years prior in that link. But the Brits were certainly using mercenaries against us in 1812.

And it makes sense to you to include kidnapped Americans serving on British vessels with mercenary armies. And why would a kidnapped American "flee in terror" from his own countrymen, if they had indeed been kidnapped and serving under duress? That doesn't make a lick a sense.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Lol, what would you call it? "You're working for us now. Yeah, you're not making much, but don't worry, you're going to die soon anyway."

Involuntary- check
Hazardous- check
Minimal pay- check

So slavery actually ended in 1973? I guess that there goes the argument about folks having never met a slave 'eh?

 

[Woobie]

And it makes sense to you to include kidnapped Americans serving on British vessels with mercenary armies. And why would a kidnapped American "flee in terror" from his own countrymen, if they had indeed been kidnapped and serving under duress? That doesn't make a lick a sense.

Oh for Pete's sake. What happens when an army (or navy) loses a battle? Yep, everyone on the losing side runs for it. And the people who don't want to be there are the ones running the hardest the first chance they get. That is an ancient axiom.

 

[Woobie]

So slavery actually ended in 1973? I guess that there goes the argument about folks having never met a slave 'eh?

I can't for the life of me figure how you would infer that from what I said.

 

[Kutnupe14]

That is a very twisted (purposefully so, I reckon) way of looking at what I said.

I only applied the standards you used to make a point. I obviously disagree with the notion.

 

[Woobie]

I only applied the standards you used to make a point. I obviously disagree with the notion.

I think you misunderstood the standards I used. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to apply them that way.

 

[jamil]

I was recently listening to a couple of people arguing about bible prophecy. Sounds similar to this conversation.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

I am going to do it.I am Cueing the Meltdown..........wait.......wait.........

 

[printcraft]

I can't for the life of me figure how you would infer that from what I said.

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[Kutnupe14]

I can't for the life of me figure how you would infer that from what I said.

I can't for the life of me can't see how you don't think that's inferred.

 

[Kutnupe14]

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[JAL]

By linguistic construction, yes, facts. But those facts are incorrect.

Why would Key watching a battle during the war f 1812, write about a war he was not in. It's clear throughout the poem/song, that the speaking of the bombardment of the fort, and how it endured. Secondly, (and this is the one that make the least sense out of that link), impressment was the essentially the kidnapping of American citizens to serve on British vessels. People who were "impressed" most certainly did NOT want to serve on British vessels. If "hirelings" are mercenaries who are willingly selling their military skills the British, and "slaves" are American citizens who most certainly weren't willingly serving, why are they BOTH listed as people who could not be saved from terror and death? That simply doesn't make any senses, as it would appear that killing kidnapped American citizens is as equally desired as mercenary soldiers. So it doesn't make sense.

The hirelings are mercenaries. Regarding the slaves, the British promised to free any slaves that joined with them to fight. They formed two units of runaway slaves willing to fight in return for their freedom. One of them was the Colonial Marines, which were part of the British force that overran Washington, D.C., burning down the White House, and were later defeated at Baltimore. It should be noted that after the war the U.S. demanded the return of all seized property, which included the slaves. The British refused to return the slaves, many of whom settled in Canada, and IIRC, some went to Trinidad.

Francis Scott Key was negotiating the release of a Doctor Beanes from the British and was aboard a British ship during the bombardment of Fort McHenry which protected Baltimore Harbor. They would not let him leave as he knew the disposition of the British units and their intent to attack Baltimore. Thinking the fort had fallen in the night he was surprised to see the US flag still flying at dawn.

As an aside . . .
In that era, when a battle line broke and troops started to flee, they would be pursued mercilessly. Any that were chased down would be swiftly bayoneted. From a command standpoint, you wanted to withdraw and retire from a battle in a very orderly manner to prevent this as losses in a rout would be staggering. Likewise, it was common practice for the victor to shoot or bayonet any enemy wounded still on the field that had not been carried off. It was presumptive they would eventually die and this merely hastened the inevitable. The International Committee of the Red Cross was founded in Geneva, Switzerland by two gentlemen as a humanitarian organization to help provide for safe, protected and neutral accommodation and care for men wounded in battle. In 1859, one of the two had toured the battlefield at Solferino during the Austro-Sardinian War in which 40,000 dead or wounded from both sides were left on the battlefield after a single day of fighting. He was very justifiably appalled at the nearly complete lack of attention or care of the wounded and the magnitude of their suffering. He organized volunteers from a nearby village to care for the wounded without regard for which army they belonged to, which they did for several days. After writing a book in Geneva in 1862 about his experience, the other founder helped organize a committee that became the International Red Cross. Its first mission was to provide for the neutral protection and care of soldiers wounded in battle. The legal term now for soldiers who can no longer continue waging war is hors de combat, which translates literally to "out of the fight" and they are a protected class. It includes wounded, those attempting to legitimately surrender, POWs who have already surrendered, and those who have abandoned a ship or aircraft.

John