Changes regarding Training

[chipbennett]

Not sure why you are trying to justify the price hike. Since the bays have been added, I've *never* had a problem finding an area to shoot at MCFG. No one is being deprived.

I never claimed I agree with it. I'm merely trying to *understand* why they might have done it.

I'm not yet a member; that requirement to attend a board meeting is difficult to meet when one travels for work. But my dad is a member, and I've gone to shoot with him several times (always paying the guest fee). I would like to join, so I would like to have an understanding of the policy direction of the board.

Personally, in the little experience I have with the club, I don't see any justifiable reason to double-charge members. I've never been to there when the range has been full. I've been there several times where we were the only ones there, or were among fewer than a half-dozen shooters.

 

[browndog2]

As far as I know no current board members have responded to this thread.
I suspect that they would prefer not to discuss club policy/business on an open forum (rightfully so).

Club members are not being double-charged.
The training businesses pay the $10 fee per person for the training business's use of club facilities.
Most of the training business have been paying the $10 fee per person for quite some time.

 

[chipbennett]

Club members are not being double-charged.
The training businesses pay the $10 fee per person for the training business's use of club facilities.
Most of the training business have been paying the $10 fee per person for quite some time.

Filed under: "They must think their members are stupid"?

If the club charges the trainer a per-person fee, do you think the trainer just pays that fee out of his own pocket - you know, out of the goodness of his heart?

Economics 101. The fee is passed from the service provider to the customer. Otherwise, the service provider goes out of business.

 

[browndog2]

I have no idea what the board thinks.
My apologies to the board if my speculations have caused them any discomfort.

Once again, I have engaged in the discussion too long,
and find myself exchanging dialog with someone who is not even a club mamber.
I can't blame that on anyone but me.

 

[bwframe]

As far as I know no current board members have responded to this thread.
I suspect that they would prefer not to discuss club policy/business on an open forum (rightfully so).

Club members are not being double-charged.
The training businesses pay the $10 fee per person for the training business's use of club facilities.
Most of the training business have been paying the $10 fee per person for quite some time.

Were announcements made to the membership in advance of this proposed change?
Was this change voted on by the membership?

 

[chipbennett]

I have no idea what the board thinks.
My apologies to the board if my speculations have caused them any discomfort.

Once again, I have engaged in the discussion too long,
and find myself exchanging dialog with someone who is not even a club mamber.
I can't blame that on anyone but me.

And because I'm not (yet) a member, my questions and concerns are irrelevant?

 

[browndog2]

Now I am "hoist on my own petard".
I should not have disrespected you.
I apologize to you for doing so.

Fortunately, this issue will be addressed elsewhere by others.

 

[chipbennett]

Now I am "hoist on my own petard".
I should not have disrespected you.
I apologize to you for doing so.

Fortunately, this issue will be addressed elsewhere by others.

No disrespect taken, and I'm happy to hear that the issue will be addressed.

 

[chezuki]

Were announcements made to the membership in advance of this proposed change?
Was this change voted on by the membership?

I was not informed, and I'm the most important member I know.

 

[bwframe]

Were announcements made to the membership in advance of this proposed change?
Was this change voted on by the membership?

I was not informed, and I'm the most important member I know.

I was only a club member for a few years and not currently. I'm likely not worthy of answer to this, in an open forum anyway.
After all, past members and this forum has had nothing to do with MCFG's success, correct?

 

[snuffy33]

After all, past members and this forum has had nothing to do with MCFG's success, correct?

 

[Kane406]

Club members are not being double-charged.
The training businesses pay the $10 fee per person for the training business's use of club facilities.
Most of the training business have been paying the $10 fee per person for quite some time.

In the past, the $10 fee only applied to non-members (guests) that attended a training class.
Instructors that I have used always advertised their training class on their web site or INGO, and always
included a statement that non-members would be requried to pay a $10 guest fee.

I thought this was a very reasonable policy for both the club and the guests.

 

[singlesix]

Were announcements made to the membership in advance of this proposed change?
Was this change voted on by the membership?

Is this the normal SOP for clubs? I've been on several boards and this is not the SOP. If you want to know what is going on come to the board meeting. The board was elected to run the club, if you don't like the direction than vote with your feet or run for office.

 

[singlesix]

I am a member and have also taken several of coaches classes there. I will be asking why the change in policy once I get the contact information (the club website is not up to date yet).
Coach provided valuable training at the club but there is a rift/tension between him and the board hich is a shame. Now it will be a loss to the club as his classes brought new people into the sport and the club itself.

I will be asking the new Club president why the change when his information becomes available.
I will also be asking if Friday night steel will be required to pay an additional $10 per session, trap, Appleseed etc. etc. since this would be in line with the new policy. Not that I want this to happen but it would need to happen to be fair a cross the playing field.
Similarly any classes taught there by Dee Benett or Chris Pope would have to be subject to the new $10 per person (member or not) daily fee.

It looks like everyone looses here, or at least everyone who is trying to get training, increase their safety awareness and improve as a shooter!

100% of the "profits" goes to the club from Club run events, can't say the same for none club events.

 

[singlesix]

Funny thing is when I was on the board members complained about the range having too many classes and not available for member use. These members wanted the range exclusively for member use. I find some of the comments and innuendos that the board had some nefarious agenda bit over the top.

 

[bwframe]

...The board was elected to run the club, if you don't like the direction than vote with your feet or run for office.

I did that exactly a while back, my friend. You likely remember the conversation?
Your candor was appreciated then, as it is now.

 

[singlesix]

I did that exactly a while back, my friend. You likely remember the conversation?
Your candor was appreciated then, as it is now.

Yeah and miss seeing you at the events now. The FNS after party isn't the same now.

 

[bwframe]

Yeah and miss seeing you at the events now. The FNS after party isn't the same now.

Kind of you to say that sir. I'll get back up there one of these days and we'll catch up.