Compromise

[ArmedProgrammer]

Jack -

We don't negotiate with terrorists - and we don't negotiate with socialists.

and for the same reason.

 

[TaunTaun]

Jack -

We don't negotiate with terrorists - and we don't negotiate with socialists.

and for the same reason.

And no negotiation with criminals. That is the main reason we protect ourselves and our families.

 

[jb1911]

Alright, I'm new here so if this is not the correct place for policy discussion, please direct me to the correct place.

In light of the recent shooting and the momentum behind the gun control lobby at the present time, it is almost impossible for even the likes of the NRA to hold everything in place. Compromise is needed, and we need to be the ones who propose it first or risk an unfavorable law, like an AWB, being shoved down our throats. The question is, what would be a favorable compromise?

My answer is this: create a nationwide licence that you receive at no charge when you have a background check. You can then display this licence, provided it is recent, that will allow you to buy firearms. This applies to both private sale and to sales by licensed dealers. This would close the "Gun show loophole" without making gun shows illegal, and it would be more comprehensive, covering all private sales. Further, it would be a political victory for the Democrats who have been striving so hard to close the loophole and typically back off after a victory like this, while not infringing on the rights of law abiding gun owners.

What are your opinions of this?

Is that you Joe Biden? Don't expect us to help you solve the violence problem, we don't even like you.

 

[findingZzero]

Comply with the second amendment and allow a 'well regulated' state militia to own weapons that might be useful in resisting a tyrannical fed gov't. The rest is made up interpretation that wasn't original intent.
The rest of us could own self defense and hunting weapons w/o initiating an arms race among citizens. You won't need an assault weapon if your neighbor has none. Let's not make the criminal the std of what's acceptable. Then, hang all the lawyers, and hand out Cheezits hot and spicy to everyone who complies. Oh, yeah, and bacon to those waiting for their first heart attack to try and get healthy....
Now, for peace in the middle east, ...........and, BTW, welcome 2 .
p.s. if you hang around with me you will surely die...but it will be a glorious death.

 

[Armed-N-Ready]

Please post your license

That gives you the right to express your opinion and exercise your right to free speech.

 

[nucone]

We have a nationwide license, it's called the 2A and was paid for in full by all the patriots of the revolutionary and every war that we have been in.

It's just that we have all those damned elected officials that think they can further infringe without "infringing".

+1 There is absolutely no compromise on this subject that I find acceptable. When I was sworn into the Navy I took an oath similar to that taken by each and every congressman, senator, and president. Part of that oath includes swearing to; '... to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic...'

That is precisely what I expect the elected officials to do. The Constitution has provisions in it for amendments. If they want to further infringe on my rights as a gun owner, I would rather them submit an amendment to do away with the Second Amendment and send it to the states for ratification. I don't believe it would ever pass but if it did, they may as well do away with the First Amendment as well since the 2nd really protects and insures the 1st.

 

[dbrier]

And gridlock is a win for us.

I agree.
People are wanting an instant fix to a tragic incident. It is an emotionally charged time. The real fix isn't banning guns, but it makes them feel as though they did something to help. As time moves on, the emotions will calm and then Lindsy Lohan will do something stupid and distract people for a bit.
We are still in the "knee-jerk" phase.

Our society isn't about to stop glamorizing these killers and giving them exactly what the wanted, notoriety. So instead, we attack tools and pieces of steel and blame them for our troubles.

 

[Khazik]

IMO I dont think any compromise is needed, but rather strict adherence to the 2nd amendment "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Encourage rather discourage people to not only own but carry a handgun capable of atleast 5 shots. Put a gun in quite literally every capable adult's hand so everyone is equally armed as their would-be attackers and capable of competently defending themselves.

A background check system is nice n all, but it serves no purpose except to add-on another process for the law-abiding citizens, if evil-doers want weapons they'll get them one way or another and it's not always by means of cash. People who want to shoot up schools, malls, colleges n what not simply dont give a @&%! about background checks and laws, logically to prevent criminal behavior laws are irrelevant, serving only as a deterrent rather prevention. Real prevention of criminal behavior comes from the hands of honest and responsible individuals; if these individuals are disarmed or prevented from being equally armed as their attackers, then tyranny runs it's course as there is no prevention except prevention from the hands of criminals...

What needs to happen is people need to wake up, realize they shouldn't party out their personal security to any 3rd-party, take up arms and defend themselves. If people do not actively take responsibility for their own defence, they simply do not deserve to live as they waiver the right to protect their very own lives. Every sentient being of any species on the face of this planet has and practices the unalienable right to self defence... except humans. I just wait and wonder how many lives it will take to convince people they need to take the responsibility of their security in their hands.

 

[spec4]

The goal is the socialists is disarmament of the American people as others have mentioned.
Does anybody think a complete ban on semi auto rifles would end with that? Next they would want to ban "dangerous" bolt action "sniper rifles", then handguns that are "just made to kill". It won't end until we are disarmed completely. This fight will never be over.

 

[actaeon277]

We have "compromised" already, repeatedly.
Someone wants to stab you to death.
You don't want to be stabbed.
Do you compromise by letting him stab you a couple times a month? To keep from being killed.
If you do compromise, do you renegotiate later, because 2 stabs a month is not enough?
At what point do you say NO.

 

[Badmac 183]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[Slawburger]

My position: Give me all your money.
Your position: No, it's mine, I'm keeping it all.
Fair Compromise: You give me half your money.

Next week we can work out another bilateral, non-partisan, fair compromise.
There are just some positions that do not lend themselves to compromise.

My

 

[wakproductions]

First comes the ID card, then gun registration, then taxation on every firearm you own, then confiscation, finally followed by oppression.

 

[bdybdall]

As I have replied every other time this topic has come up, since the massacre, not only NO, but HELL NO!!
Our ancestors compromised in '34 and got screwed. We compromised in '68 and got screwed. We compromised in '94 and got screwed. Anyone seeing a pattern here?

Yes, we need some water soluble gun lube.

 

[bdybdall]

Jack -

We don't negotiate with terrorists - and we don't negotiate with socialists.

and for the same reason.

Sorry, ArmedProgrammer, I'm out of rep for 24 hours, come back later.

 

[bdybdall]

That gives you the right to express your opinion and exercise your right to free speech.

Thank you for the sacrifice you have suffered for our country. I lost my son 4 yrs ago so I have some idea of the depth of your loss.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Alright, I'm new here so if this is not the correct place for policy discussion, please direct me to the correct place.

In light of the recent shooting and the momentum behind the gun control lobby at the present time, it is almost impossible for even the likes of the NRA to hold everything in place. Compromise is needed, and we need to be the ones who propose it first or risk an unfavorable law, like an AWB, being shoved down our throats. The question is, what would be a favorable compromise?

My answer is this: create a nationwide licence that you receive at no charge when you have a background check. You can then display this licence, provided it is recent, that will allow you to buy firearms. This applies to both private sale and to sales by licensed dealers. This would close the "Gun show loophole" without making gun shows illegal, and it would be more comprehensive, covering all private sales. Further, it would be a political victory for the Democrats who have been striving so hard to close the loophole and typically back off after a victory like this, while not infringing on the rights of law abiding gun owners.

What are your opinions of this?

I am going to assume that you are new to guns. You are proposing the equivalent of committing suicide to avoid being murdered. It just doesn't make sense.

You may also notice that adding or modifying infringements is contrary to the phrase 'shall not be infringed'.

 

[Zachoff]

Go lick your balls.

 

[sepe]

 

[Liberty1911]

The goal is the socialists is disarmament of the American people as others have mentioned.
Does anybody think a complete ban on semi auto rifles would end with that? Next they would want to ban "dangerous" bolt action "sniper rifles", then handguns that are "just made to kill". It won't end until we are disarmed completely. This fight will never be over.

Exactly. The fight is never going to end, so why give any ground? I say don't give an inch.