Denver Bakery Refuses Service to Gay couple, sued and lost in court....

[traderdan]

So since this bakery is open to the public, their right to choose who they do business with becomes moot. Got it.

That seems to be the way the law stands...It is up to us to change it.

 

[hornadylnl]

Rule of law has shown..you do not have a right to smoke in your own business..

And rule of law in Colorado has shown..you do not have a right to refuse business to homosexuals.

You cannot complain that government is overstepping it's bounds in the case of this bakery owner and then say the government is doing the right thing by forcing a business to allow employees or customers to have weapons on their property.

Do I have the right to perform satanic rituals in my van in a church parking lot on Sunday morning? It's open to the public. I'm inside my which is my property and I have the right to freedom of religion. Are my rights being violated when the pastor tells me to perform my rituals elsewhere?

 

[hornadylnl]

That seems to be the way the law stands...It is up to us to change it.

So are you going to seek to change the laws forcing employers to allow guns in employee vehicles as well?

 

[88GT]

In a word...YES. We have the natural right of self-defense.A Constitutional amendment..If you are doing business with the general public,and you deny them the right to be armed..You are infringing upon their right. (For the sake of argument.)

You don't get to make unilateral decisions about your behavior on someone else's property.

Oh we understand the point you were sorta making...It is just a poor example used to make a pretty good argument. Blackhawk said that if a business would take effective steps to ensure his safety..he might disarm. He has a right to be safe. Constitutional law does not give any hint that the "feelings" of loud minority groups must be pandered to..

Which is exactly what you are as a defender of the 2nd. I don't have to respect any one of your inalienable rights on my property except your right to live.

 

[CathyInBlue]

I'll just leave these here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospitality_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[lucky4034]

In a word...YES. We have the natural right of self-defense.A Constitutional amendment..If you are doing business with the general public,and you deny them the right to be armed..You are infringing upon their right. (For the sake of argument.)

But you don't have the natural right to be gay or black or muslim or?

 

[traderdan]

So are you going to seek to change the laws forcing employers to allow guns in employee vehicles as well?

I am going to do what I have always done..Vote with my dollars,and run my mouth loud and long.I intend to support NO business that is the enemy of freedom. Likewise I will carry when and if I please..You have a right to do what you want, I have a right to say what I want.

 

[lucky4034]

Truthfully..I believe that a business that is privately owned, has a right to set it's own rules. Having said that, there is a much better argument (in the strength of the 2nd) for carrying an item of self protection,than for forcing a business to serve anyone.

And what would that be?

 

[traderdan]

You don't get to make unilateral decisions about your behavior on someone else's property.


Which is exactly what you are as a defender of the 2nd. I don't have to respect any one of your inalienable rights on my property except your right to live.

That is true..That is NOT true in a public place,funded by my tax dollars. I recently gave up a non-profit tax status for our church, because I will NOT tolerate intrusion of .GOV into our business. Most of us agree here.

 

[traderdan]

And what would that be?

"The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" If public funds are spent to build a business..(Colt's stadium?) the public has the right of self defense,while in the business.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

That is true..That is NOT true in a public place,funded by my tax dollars. I recently gave up a non-profit tax status for our church, because I will NOT tolerate intrusion of .GOV into our business. Most of us agree here.

Good for you! Is this a growing movement? I've heard this being discussed on some program I was listening to not too long ago.

 

[traderdan]

But you don't have the natural right to be gay or black or muslim or?

You have every right to be whatever you are...I have every right to snicker a little when you flounce by.

 

[traderdan]

Good for you! Is this a growing movement? I've heard this being discussed on some program I was listening to not too long ago.

No, it is just our decision, since observing the political direction we are travelling in this nation.

 

[Bunnykid68]

That is true..That is NOT true in a public place,funded by my tax dollars. I recently gave up a non-profit tax status for our church, because I will NOT tolerate intrusion of .GOV into our business. Most of us agree here.

never mind

 

[halfmileharry]

As a business owner, they have the right to refuse service to anyone.

"They did not build that"

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

No, it is just our decision, since observing the political direction we are travelling in this nation.

What do you mean you gave up the tax status?

From what I understand, there's a provision in the IRS code that allows for churches to be tax exempt but there are, among other things, certain restricitions on how "political" the churches can be. But I'll bet traderdan can be more explicit.

 

[Bunnykid68]

From what I understand, there's a provision in the IRS code that allows for churches to be tax exempt but there are, among other things, certain restricitions on how "political" the churches can be. But I'll bet traderdan can be more explicit.

IRS code 501c3 if they go that route, a church does not have to do anything they can simply exist under IRS code 508

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

IRS code 501c3 if they go that route, a church does not have to do anything they can simply exist under IRS code 508

 

[traderdan]

From what I understand, there's a provision in the IRS code that allows for churches to be tax exempt but there are, among other things, certain restricitions on how "political" the churches can be. But I'll bet traderdan can be more explicit.

True..There were some other reasons that we decided to not take the tax exempt status any longer..We are pretty political. We decided to just render to Caesar what belongs to him, and keep on speaking loudly.