Denver Bakery Refuses Service to Gay couple, sued and lost in court....

[steveh_131]

I can't imagine why you're having trouble with the argument. Just read it for goodness sake. It's obvious from the words, don't you realize that?

There are no $6 constitutions in my mother's basement

surely this violates several of my constitutional rights

 

[hornadylnl]

Former Atheists (Blessed be their Saints, Darwin, Dawkins, and Hitchens, Amen) and former Satanists (Blessed be their Saints, Anton LeVay and The Bay City Rollers, Amen) make great Christian Church Elders...You don't have to convince the Satanists that evil is real and the former Atheists know all of the Atheists arguments front and back...I love Hornandy's responses because they are usually well thought out with just a hint of sarcasm mixed with a wink and a smile but I think he forgot in this case that a parking lot full of Atheists and Satanists is what a Christian Church prays for every Sunday...

Preaching to the choir can get kind of boring after a while...

For those of you who doubt The Bay City Rollers were in League with Satan I challenge you to listen this load of drivel...The Evil One sometimes has a shag haircut...Just Sayin' if you listen to the whole thing you may want to be clutching a crucifix...It's that bad...And it went number 1...Now I am going to clean my ears out with The Rolling Stones "Symapthy for the Devil.." "Pleased to meet you...Hope you guessed my name..."

[video=youtube;dBn2ux5vRHk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBn2ux5vRHk[/video]


What's funny is even at age 12 I knew these guys sucked...

I would certainly hope that a church prays for a full parking lot of non believers. If not, I wouldn't be a part of that church. The broader point I was making is to what extreme would a church allow non Christians to defame God on church property?

If a Christian can't sell a cake to a gay couple, would they allow that gay couple in their church?

 

[indiucky]

There are no $6 constitutions in my mother's basement

surely this violates several of my constitutional rights

There is now...Be careful eating that Hot Pocket (Use a fork this time!) and clean up after yourself...I don't want to find crumbs all over the basement carpet again.....

Constitution of the United States - Official

 

[steveh_131]

There is now...Be careful eating that Hot Pocket (Use a fork this time!) and clean up after yourself...I don't want to find crumbs all over the basement carpet again.....

Constitution of the United States - Official

I covered the walls and carpet with tin foil and tears long ago

 

[indiucky]

If a Christian can't sell a cake to a gay couple, would they allow that gay couple in their church?

I would say yes...They could have sold the cake to the gay couple they just wouldn't...I can't imagine a Church keeping a Gay Couple out of the Church but....and this is a big BUT...The Gay Couple would have to accept the fact that folks were going to talk to them about the error of their ways and their (the Chuches) strongly held belief that what they are doing is wrong in the eyes of God and Nature's God...(It's also kind of a Darwinian dead end regarding the core goal of any species which is to propagate (sic) the species...)They may even bring out some sort of biological diagrams of the male and female body explaining ying and yang, what goes up must come down, two wrongs don't make a right (or a baby) and that "there ain't no good in an evil hearted woman and I ain't cut out to be no Jesse James, and you don't go writing hot checks down in Mississippi, and there ain't no good chain gangs....."

Now going into a Mosque??? That may be a little tougher on the gay couple...Islam is a bit more..Let's say...Stringnent on the whole Gay thing...

Sorry...I had to get that Bay City Rollers song out of my head...Thanks Waymore and Cash...All better now....

IMHO ofcourse....

 

[Bunnykid68]

Y'all do know you you can buy a copy of the Constitution of the United States for about six bucks, right. "

What is your address so that we can send you a copy?

 

[TRWXXA]

lol

Honestly, it's such a convoluted argument that I was having a difficult time following you.

So if I make a rule that no one may bring firearms in my home, I am violating the 2nd amendment?

This is rich.

Are they coming over as part of an invitation, or are they contractually obligated to come to your house? Can you tell them they can't have a firearm in their car on the ride to your house? When they park their car on your driveway, does that give you the right to enter their vehicle and search for a firearm, or drugs, or cash, or anything else you think they shouldn't have? Or do your property rights stop at the door to their property?

It is ironic that for a thread full of people trying to staunchly defend their freedom, a whole lot of them sure embrace the idea of forcing their will upon others.

 

[edporch]

So, what about signs saying "No Blacks Allowed", "No Jews Allowed", or "No Muslims Allowed", or "No Christians Allowed"?
Would that be ok?

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You forgot "No Whites Allowed".

And if I saw such a sign in a business, the last thing I'd do is sue them to force them to prepare food for me!

 

[hornadylnl]

Are they coming over as part of an invitation, or are they contractually obligated to come to your house? Can you tell them they can't have a firearm in their car on the ride to your house? When they park their car on your driveway, does that give you the right to enter their vehicle and search for a firearm, or drugs, or cash, or anything else you think they shouldn't have? Or do your property rights stop at the door to their property?

It is ironic that for a thread full of people trying to staunchly defend their freedom, a whole lot of them sure embrace the idea of forcing their will upon others.

I'm starting to like your argument. Next time I'm in a gun shop, I'll pick out the most expensive gun they have. When they tell me the price, I'll tell them I don't have any money and they're infringing my rights if they don't give it to me.

 

[TRWXXA]

I'm starting to like your argument. Next time I'm in a gun shop, I'll pick out the most expensive gun they have. When they tell me the price, I'll tell them I don't have any money and they're infringing my rights if they don't give it to me.

Oooooo... The same argument the liberatards apply to food stamps, education, cell phones, health care, birth control, abortions, etc, ad nauseam. Well played, sir!

Check your fly... Your socialist tendencies are showing.

The right to posses something, does not equate an entitlement to it.

Good luck with your technique, though. Please let me know how the gun shop owner reacts to it.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Nearest public parking of any kind to my place of employment is 3 1/2 MILES away. People are supposed to walk that, at night, unarmed?

Sounds like infringement.

Sounds like a choice. Who has a gun to their head?

 

[hornadylnl]

Oooooo... The same argument the liberatards apply to food stamps, education, cell phones, health care, birth control, abortions, etc, ad nauseam. Well played, sir!

Check your fly... Your socialist tendencies are showing.

The right to posses something, does not equate an entitlement to it.

Good luck with your technique, though. Please let me know how the gun shop owner reacts to it.

Entitlement? What do you call it when you believe you have the right to be on the property of others on terms that are against the will of the owner?

 

[LEaSH]

Entitlement? What do you call it when you believe you have the right to be on the property of others on terms that are against the will of the owner?

Property rights are so old fashioned. Get with the times wouldya.

 

[hornadylnl]

Property rights a so old fashioned. Get with the times wouldya.

They're not in the bill of rights so you don't have em.

 

[LEaSH]

Avacados are not in the bill of rights, either.

 

[hornadylnl]

Avacados are not in the bill of rights, either.

Apparently shopping and employment are.

 

[TRWXXA]

Entitlement? What do you call it when you believe you have the right to be on the property of others on terms that are against the will of the owner?

Since you're such a great legal mind, go find any law, statute, or case law that says my vehicle (my enclosed property) becomes someone else's because of where it is parked. If my firearm is in my car, it is in my property.

 

[hornadylnl]

Since you're such a great legal mind, go find any law, statute, or case law that says my vehicle (my enclosed property) becomes someone else's because of where it is parked. If my firearm is in my car, it is in my property.

Hmm. Guns on school property.

 

[RockofStrength]

Since you're such a great legal mind, go find any law, statute, or case law that says my vehicle (my enclosed property) becomes someone else's because of where it is parked. If my firearm is in my car, it is in my property.

Well, logically you can't park on your neighbor's lawn (or in his living room for that matter) because his property rights can deny entry to you and to your vehicle, yes? The prohibition extends beyond your person entering a building to the parking lot, where you may not enter by any means with a firearm on your person.

 

[Libertarian01]

To All,

To my thinking many business owners (aka human beings) fail to understand the full implications of the decisions they make.

Most businesses incorporate that plan to stay in business for a long time. They do this for a variety of reasons. The entrepreneur through legal incorporation seeks special treatment from the State. The entrepreneur seeks special legal status, special tax status, special "privileges" for lack of a better word. For example, if I am a baker and I incorporate and one of the cakes the corporation makes hurts someone very badly I cannot loose my personal home, my personal savings. In a word, the only thing lost IS the business and its assets - most of the time. Incorporation means that the company is legally a separate, individual person under the law. Business owners tend to overlook the fact that it isn't completely "theirs" anymore. They don't own it per se, they own stock in it.

When the entrepreneur seeks to create this separate person (aka corporation) they forget that by doing so the State, while giving certain privileges, is well within the parameters of reasonability to make certain demands. Your company, which is NOT you, will follow certain rules and regulations. If you seek protection by making a new person it is not unreasonable for the State giving such protection to make demands upon that new "person." These demands are not a surprise nor are they unforeseen or unforeseeable.

So it should not be a total surprise that the owner of the stock in the company that he controls but isn't "him" is not allowed to foist his personal religious beliefs (or any other viewpoints) upon the corporation that is not him, and thus upon the customers.

I am NOT being anti-business, rather anti-hypocrisy. I think it hypocritical to expect all of the benefits of doing a thing and then whine about all of the negatives about doing a thing. No decision is without benefits and without liabilities. Each must be weighed to make the best decision possible.

Regards,

Doug