Dickens Drill or the Eli Drill

[thompal]

Pretty much in all of these attempts to replicate they are running about 7 seconds quicker. I think what would be of note of importance is that if Eli took an estimated 15 secs then he fired 10 rounds at a pretty steady disciplined cadence which is important. It's not about how many rounds you can get off as quickly as possible but it's how many rounds you can get on target at a steady controlled pace as possible. I think that was a contributing factor in Eli's success. He was definitely disciplined under the stress of the encounter which is quite impressive.

The part that I keep thinking about is that those 15 seconds include the couple of seconds it probably took to realize what was happening, the time to get the girlfriend safe, the time to locate the threat, and THEN engage.

 

[1nderbeard]

The more I think about it, the more impressed I am with the kid.
For sure it will change my thought process about carrying.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

The part that I keep thinking about is that those 15 seconds include the couple of seconds it probably took to realize what was happening, the time to get the girlfriend safe, the time to locate the threat, and THEN engage.

The reported 15 seconds is the time the shooter was active. He fired 24 rounds, shot 4 people and was neutralized by Eli all within those 15 seconds.

 

[bwframe]

Interesting that world champion Taran Butler has a regular guy draw time, from concealment?

 

[cobber]

I'll bet he's done that before!

 

[bwframe]

I'll bet he's done that before!

Yeah, which makes the nearly two second draw time all the more interesting?


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[cedartop]

Interesting that world champion Taran Butler has a regular guy draw time, from concealment?

I am not sure a concealed draw to a 40 yard target in 1.92 is exactly regular guy time.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I am not sure a concealed draw to a 40 yard target in 1.92 is exactly regular guy time.

I don't think 1.92 to a 7 yard target is regular guy time.

 

[cedartop]

I don't think 1.92 to a 7 yard target is regular guy time.

Well now I am getting into the weeds, but it depends what we consider regular guy. I consider a 1.5 to an A zone at 7 to be a reasonable regular guy standard, if able to be done cold and consistently.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Well now I am getting into the weeds, but it depends what we consider regular guy. I consider a 1.5 to an A zone at 7 to be a reasonable regular guy standard, if able to be done cold and consistently.

I consider regular guy as just plucking some rando off the street. I really doubt if you picked five guys from the street that they would average sub 2 second hits on target from concealment.

Maybe an average of people who actually train.

 

[Mij]

I don't think 1.92 to a 7 yard target is regular guy time.

 

[gregkl]

I consider regular guy as just plucking some rando off the street. I really doubt if you picked five guys from the street that they would average sub 2 second hits on target from concealment.

Maybe an average of people who actually train.

I'm right around 2 seconds on average I'd say. And I hit the range an average of 35 times per year.

If I am closer to the target, I may draw in the 1.7-1.8 second range, but I guess by INGO standards, that makes me slow.

I mean it takes me 6 seconds or so to clear a plate rack or a Texas Star. Most guys I see seem to clear a plate rack in not much more time than it takes me to draw and hit the first plate!

 

[actaeon277]

I consider regular guy as just plucking some rando off the street. I really doubt if you picked five guys from the street that they would average sub 2 second hits on target from concealment.

Maybe an average of people who actually train.

Would 5 "rando's" know how to operate a gun?

 

[Jaybird1980]

Would 5 "rando's" know how to operate a gun?

Probably depends on location, but I doubt it.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I'm right around 2 seconds on average I'd say. And I hit the range an average of 35 times per year.

If I am closer to the target, I may draw in the 1.7-1.8 second range, but I guess by INGO standards, that makes me slow.

I mean it takes me 6 seconds or so to clear a plate rack or a Texas Star. Most guys I see seem to clear a plate rack in not much more time than it takes me to draw and hit the first plate!

That's not slow, especially if you're making decent hits.

Visit any shooting competition and you'll see how fast people draw and get on target. I don't think it would average out to sub 2 seconds

 

[actaeon277]

Probably depends on location, but I doubt it.

Kinda my point.
You'd have to narrow it down to "5 gun owners" at the very least.

But, many gun owners buy their guns, and put them in the closet.

So, maybe you'd have to further narrow it to "5 gun carriers"

 

[Jaybird1980]

Kinda my point.
You'd have to narrow it down to "5 gun owners" at the very least.

But, many gun owners buy their guns, and put them in the closet.

So, maybe you'd have to further narrow it to "5 gun carriers"

Regular guy to me is just that, pick anybody at random.

I would still say if you just picked 50 random gun carriers or gun owners you still wouldn't see an average of sub 2 second draw from concealment to good hits.

I've participated in plenty of competitions to know that that speed widely differs.

 

[ditcherman]

Regular guy to me is just that, pick anybody at random.

I would still say if you just picked 50 random gun carriers or gun owners you still wouldn't see an average of sub 2 second draw from concealment to good hits.

I've participated in plenty of competitions to know that that speed widely differs.

I think a good way to define regular guy is those of us on here, who train, who maybe have a good idea of their times, just regular gun guys, as opposed to YouTube stars, “influencers”, trainers, or people taking competition very seriously, like the guy in this vid.
Can’t just pull people off the street, not really fair or valid.