DNR Public Input on Proposals Hearings

[bwframe]

...Those OPPOSED to rifles for deer are the ones who need education and need to stop thinking so lowly of their fellow hunters as to think that everyone is a hillbilly slob in the woods.

Well there you go, telling others how to think. That's bound to work . It's been proven to by this outcome.

In the mean time, each year we continue to bolster the other side's argument by not policing our own. Each year "we" still shoot each other, ourselves, houses, property, etc. This is not to mention all the other non-firearm related stuff that "we" do each year to give the impression of being less than responsible.

 

[singlesix]

The Fat Lady hasn't sung yet, maybe she's tuning up ...

 

[Willie]

The Administrative Law Judge said to axe it.. stick a fork in it...

Look no further than the Vice Chair of the Advisory Committee - see age 19..

http://www.in.gov/nrc/files/item_10_report.pdf

It seems to me that she had a foregone conclusion in her mind and went looking to certain states to bolster it while ignoring other states that use centerfires.

 

[ChrisK1977]

I don't know if this is a done deal or not. This is her opinion not the DNR's correct?

 

[M4Madness]

Well there you go, telling others how to think. That's bound to work . It's been proven to by this outcome.

In the mean time, each year we continue to bolster the other side's argument by not policing our own. Each year "we" still shoot each other, ourselves, houses, property, etc. This is not to mention all the other non-firearm related stuff that "we" do each year to give the impression of being less than responsible.

Well, you guys get right on it then. I don't know of anyone in my area shooting buildings, themselves, etc., so I'm of no help in policing my peers.

This whole thing comes down to guys that are afraid that the next guy is going to shoot "their" buck. They think that rifles are going to give their "competition" a leg up and allow them to make a shot that is impossible with current firearms. I don't buy the safety BS that they spew for a second. If they are getting shot at all the time, then perhaps they'd better be doing the policing and notify a Conservation officer when it occurs. I think it's funny that the herd is shrinking -- perhaps those who have been spoiled by hunting in the last 10 years will give up and get out of the woods and leave them to those of us who don't get discouraged if we don't see 20 deer every sit. That's why it's called hunting.

 

[Willie]

I don't know if this is a done deal or not. This is her opinion not the DNR's correct?

Both the DNR and the NRC Law Judge thumbed it down. It's over for now. My guess it will come back with different wording in the next few years..

 

[mertbl]

I'm didn't see dnr. If saw DFW. Are they the same? Serious question.

 

[bwframe]

...This whole thing comes down to guys that are afraid that the next guy is going to shoot "their" buck. They think that rifles are going to give their "competition" a leg up and allow them to make a shot that is impossible with current firearms. I don't buy the safety BS that they spew for a second. If they are getting shot at all the time, then perhaps they'd better be doing the policing and notify a Conservation officer when it occurs. I think it's funny that the herd is shrinking -- perhaps those who have been spoiled by hunting in the last 10 years will give up and get out of the woods and leave them to those of us who don't get discouraged if we don't see 20 deer every sit. That's why it's called hunting.

That'll win them over. This kind of talk is bound to influence the neighsayers and get you what you want.

 

[M4Madness]

That'll win them over. This kind of talk is bound to influence the neighsayers and get you what you want.

I gave up on winning anyone over long ago. I've learned in my 47 years that you seldom get strangers to switch sides once they have their minds made up. Sure, you might sway someone that hasn't formed an opinion, but very rarely does it happen to someone who has chosen a distinct side. I don't know about you, but I've never gotten a Democrat to turn Republican, nor have I ever got a convinced a gungrabber to give up their quest. No amount of sweet talking is going to sway someone who is opposed to high-powered rifles for deer to suddenly support them. Hell, facts certainly haven't swayed them. The anti-rifle guys are the ones spreading misinformation and smearing hunters by making the whole lot of them out to be dangerous. I actually read many of the official public comments where guys essentially said, "I'd like to hunt deer with a rifle, but I don't want my neighbors to be able to." Yeah, some real pieces of work there.

To be quite honest, I'll still go on killing big deer with my bow and muzzleloader just as I have in the past, but I would have liked to see more options available to those (including myself) who would enjoy employing them. I have no interest in a wildcat round for a 2-week season, so this proposal would have been a big plus.

 

[Willie]

I'm didn't see dnr. If saw DFW. Are they the same? Serious question.

DFW is the Division of Fish and Wildlife. A branch of the DNR . They are the one that proposed it initially.

 

[Cynical]

Sounds like the .358 Hoosier is going to survive. I kinda thought if common rifle calibers were made legal that it would be the end of the innovative way to get around the rules.

 

[M4Madness]

My prediction is that the next round will be to reduce the current bullet diameter requirement from .358" to .308".

 

[avboiler11]

Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.

If modern centerfire rifles are approved:

I'll stop hunting out of concern for my safety
Hunters and nonhunters alike will be at risk with hunters having such "firepower"
I "think" its unnecessary, I "think" people will react poorly, I "think" land access will be decreased

NONE OF THIS IS AN ISSUE IN KENTUCKY, where topography ranges from the mountainous east to Western KY which rivals northern Indiana in flatness.

Chalk a victory up to the bowhunt mafia, and one less hunting license sold by IN DNR...I'll spend my money on a Kentucky nonresident license/tag and use whatever weapon I damn well please - I think it'll be my FrankenSPR again, cuz I read on INGO that .223s bounce off of deer...

 

[Willie]

There was a clue in the Administrative Law Judges report - this will be back in the next year or two with geographical restrictions..


Too late in the game to do it this time, but it will happen next time..

 

[digitalmonster]

Adopt then amend.

 

[oldpink]

Chalk one up for the morons, and no, I don't care that they get they're widdle feewings hut.

 

[MRP2003]

It would be nice to see the numbers for each reason, both for and against to understand how many were truly against and how many were for.

It is funny to hear the reasons for those that are against. Everyone that has mentioned why they were against, it was due to misperceptions. The biggest reason was that the bullets would travel " for miles". It was nice to see that they changed their opinion or were open to it when I was able to explain this misperception.

It would have be nice if we got together in the beginning to take out an ad in the Indy Star explaining the benefits and explaining the misperceptions to the public. INGO could have set up to take donations electronically to get the ad placed. A little too late now.

 

[Willie]

The input file is at the NRC meeting URL...

the last time I looked at it the numbers were evenly split..

 

[midget]

Well, I guess if this doesn't pass, I will just go back to using my "pistol"...

 

[digitalmonster]

The Natural Resources Commission is scheduled to meet on May 19, 2015, at 10:00 a.m., EDT (9:00 a.m., CDT) at the Fort Harrison State Park, Garrison, Ballroom, 6002 North Post Road, Indianapolis, Indiana.

Maybe we can do something.