Domestic dispute on my street

[churchmouse]

I've got the day off and could use some exercise, if you need that hole dug today

A friend will listen to your problems and offer council.....A true friend will help you move/hide the body..............

 

[HoughMade]

You were there. You did what you thought was right. Don't let the Wednesday morning quarterbacks get you down. When the neighbor is getting killed some people hide in their basement some don't. I would rather live next to you.

+1

 

[churchmouse]

You were there. You did what you thought was right. Don't let the Wednesday morning quarterbacks get you down. When the neighbor is getting killed some people hide in their basement some don't. I would rather live next to you.

Yup.
I totaly understand the fear of reprisal and the legal aspects of these things.
Question....a man is walking down the street and see's your wife/kids unloading grocery's. Neighbor is watching this man approach. The man starts into the yard towards your family.....what would you expect of the neighbor. This is a fair question for the stand and watch folks.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Let's say the son didn't run away when the OP yelled and instead he attacked the OP. One of two things could then happen. The OP could be put in a place where he had to use deadly force on the son or the son could've hurt or killed OP, possibly with his own gun. All because he got involved.

Did the OP have reason to "pull his shirt to clear his gun"?? What does this even mean? Did he not get involved in a fight that wasn't his and then prepare himself to use force?

Hittin someone in the back with a shovel is a forcible felony

 

[88GT]

You seem to be one who would stand by and watch someone get beat down or worse. That is your right and at some level I respect it.
Now, you would just stand there and watch that young man (already shown no mercy by sneak attack with a shovel) run in and do more damage. Really. You would say and or do nothing????

Remember, it is your street also. You live there. Do you want that kind of crap going on around you??

I can see from this you have never faced a situation where others may or will come to harm. I hope for their sake you never do.
Carry on.

For some reason I thought he (the person to whom you directed this post) was LE.

 

[churchmouse]

For some reason I thought he (the person to whom you directed this post) was LE.

I really did not want to single them out but the remarks just made me think of that scenario. We have always watched out for our neighbors. Many were older folks not fully capable of mounting any real defense if put in a bad situation. Many of them have passed on and the area dynamic has changed. We still watch but things have calmed way down around here. The 3 houses directly across the street are single females widowed/divorce/ etc. so we take good care of them. They call us when something goes bump in the night. We clear the snow away, mow the grass if they need the help. Repair work on the houses.
We have escorted a few of the walkers out of their yards in the past. Never ever gave a thought of reprisal or legality. Not everyone thinks this way.

 

[Sgtusmc]

I keep to myself in this neighborhood for the sake of my families safety. This is the first time I've had to inject myself into their drama. Not many of these guys around here I'd want to have as friends from what I've observed over the years. You make friends with the wrong people, then suddenly you have their enemies and their drama on your doorstep. I've heard the overly loud commentary about "that cracka" and worse coming from more than one of their mouths. So I just keep to myself and my family. That's not to mention all the times guns are popped off in the middle of the night next door as they proclaim "F that white M...F..."

So it was probably quite a shock to all around here when I intervened quite vocally. Maybe things will change for the better now (wishful thinking probably). I expected things to start getting worse as the weather warms. It's already turning out to be a bad year for crime all over Indy.

Stay vigilant.

 

[public servant]

I keep to myself in this neighborhood for the sake of my families safety. This is the first time I've had to inject myself into their drama. Not many of these guys around here I'd want to have as friends from what I've observed over the years. You make friends with the wrong people, then suddenly you have their enemies and their drama on your doorstep. I've heard the overly loud commentary about "that cracka" and worse coming from more than one of their mouths. So I just keep to myself and my family. That's not to mention all the times guns are popped off in the middle of the night next door as they proclaim "F that white M...F..."

So it was probably quite a shock to all around here when I intervened quite vocally. Maybe things will change for the better now (wishful thinking probably). I expected things to start getting worse as the weather warms. It's already turning out to be a bad year for crime all over Indy.

Stay vigilant.

You need to schedule an INGO OC event in your front yard.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

You need to schedule an INGO OC event in your front yard.

Or a moving truck.

 

[churchmouse]

You need to schedule an INGO OC event in your front yard.

I will bring the Webbers/Charcoal and enough burger for at least 20 people. I am in......

I speak fluent "Hood"....the locals would really like me.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

I will bring the Webbers/Charcoal and enough burger for at least 20 people. I am in......

I speak fluent "Hood"....the locals would really like me.

I just totally pictured you speaking jive like the lady in "Airplane."

 

[churchmouse]

I just totally pictured you speaking jive like the lady in "Airplane."

Not that good but close.....

 

[Mark 1911]

Man, I am so thankful for my good neighbors.

Good job calling 911.

 

[91FXRS]

Yup.
I totaly understand the fear of reprisal and the legal aspects of these things.
Question....a man is walking down the street and see's your wife/kids unloading grocery's. Neighbor is watching this man approach. The man starts into the yard towards your family.....what would you expect of the neighbor. This is a fair question for the stand and watch folks.

I don't think you can compare this scenario to the OP's. Just my .

 

[Bunnykid68]

[video=youtube;fXSLcYQHqFQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSLcYQHqFQ[/video]

 

[cosermann]

My anti gun GF was like...where are the cops?? after a few minutes had passed. It was a well placed "that's why they say, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away"

If this teachable moment changes her position/attitude/philosophy on the issue of firearms, it may be the most productive thing to come out of the incident.

 

[spec4]

Or a moving truck.

^^^^Plus one. There must be a good reason you are staying there.

 

[Hoosier Cowboy]

Sounds like you handled it correctly from my point of view. Now after the initial hit to the head with the shovel if the son would have continued to keep striking the dd with the shovel I would have intervened showing my holstered weapon but not drawing unless I had too. Sadly sounds like this son-father relationship will probably end up in one of them killing the other if this is a continued on going story. Good teaching tool for your anti-gun gf however!

 

[churchmouse]

I don't think you can compare this scenario to the OP's. Just my .

Yes, you can. In the OP's it started early in the situation but he saw something bad enough to take action. In my example it was early in the conflict but what was the intentions??? Is this something you can just watch.
It is really the same thing. Intended harm. Bad situation just different people.

 

[Sgtusmc]

^^^^Plus one. There must be a good reason you are staying there.

Trust me, it's in the works. We're not the type that just jump ship to a new location and hope for the best with our tails between our legs. Every night were looking at houses online. I'm mainly waiting for my GF to figure out what's going to be good enough for her. She wanted to move to CA. I said no way. I want to live in the woods or mountains, she wants to live in the city or on the beach. Now she just found out her work is drawing staff down from 7 positions to 3. So another variables been added to the mix. You would think a PhD would have good job security. I told her long ago it was a dangerous neighborhood with dangerous characters in it. She sluffed it off saying "they ain't gonna do anything to you, they're just trying look tough" while I'm told that I'm just paranoid.