What in my comment made you think otherwise?
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Don’t spit on Elkhart police
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What in my comment made you think otherwise?
The fact that the latest news is that federal charges are being filed, and your post is, "Not much sympathy here. I guess if you had any common sense you wouldn't be in jail in the first place, ..."
i.e. The news is about the officer, and you're talking about the inmate; it's non sequitur. I was (still am?) a bit confused.
Sorry, but I thought my comment was self-explanatory. You omitted the part that would have cleared it up for you..
The news may have been about the charges against the police. But the thread is about the beating the prisoner received, i.e. "Don’t spit on Elkhart police".
I didn't think that my comment was so controversial.
So perhaps there is such a thing as mortal sin, and now I should go to confession. Oh wait, wrong thread...
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4651feeder
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Posts 40-60 (roughly) in this thread cover a lot of what I'm going to say, so I'll only say it once:
I agree to an extent. Understandable reaction from officers, yes. Desirable from public servants, I would say no. Shouldn't those enforcing the law...follow the law?
Of course none of us would like it if we got spit on. As was repeated by many people in this thread, (not a direct quote but a basic summary of the sentiment): if someone spits on me, I'd really like to send them to the hospital because that's a line you don't cross....
And fair enough. But I would hope if I'm wearing a badge and someone spits on me, I'd have some restraint. Especially if that someone is handcuffed to a chair who I can walk away from.
To clarify, I fully understand this sentiment and basically agree, but the point I'm trying to make is the perp still shouldn't have won a stupid prize in the form of a beatdown while handcuffed to a chair. He's already going to see his day in court which is where the stupid prize for the crimes (including spitting on the officers) should be dealt.
Two guys beating up on one guy in handcuffs isn't fair. But some folks don't take kindly to being spat on. I can just imagine the reaction of some people here, I doubt that it would have been Mother Teresa's:
https://www.kindspring.org/story/view.php?op=sg&sid=1974
One OT deserves another, but was that one area the zoo by any chance??
Whatever happened to our friend the rabbit anyway?
One OT deserves another, but was that one area the zoo by any chance??
Whatever happened to our friend the rabbit anyway?
Are you familiar with Monk's Lounge?
...and good question.
CPT Nervous
Grandmaster
I just think that every member of the jury for these officers' trials should be verbally abused for 20 minutes, then spat on. They can't truly be their "peers" unless they go through that, and I would bet most, if not all, would react much in the same manner as those officers.
Sounds fair.
Of course, to be completely fair, let's give them training on how to properly deal with unruly inmates properly.
CPT Nervous
Grandmaster
Fair enough. I do think that the officers in this incident did go too far. I've been spit on by cuffed inmates. Usually just a quick strike to the face to redirect the head away from me does the trick. I usually carry a mesh spit hood in my pocket too.
But... Even with training, every person has his limits. My patience gets tested. Dealing with a ****bag like this guy, and getting spit on, clearly the officers had had enough. I wasn't there, but I know a few guys over there. Who is to say what I would or would not have done in that same situation? I'd like to say I would have more restraint, that I wouldn't have done what they did, but I don't know what kind of day they had, what lead up to this incident, what other factors were present.
Maybe they went too far. Federal charges? I think that's too much.
4651feeder
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Was this the epicenter? Small was/is relative you know. My recollection was an area bounded by Oakland on the west, tracks on the north, Prairie on the east, and somewhere around Wolf on the south.
Revitalization changed all that and while one is less likely to be drug from a vehicle by angry drunk crowd and beaten today; the swath of landscape where one runs risk of stray boolit from bad blood or deal run afoul is perhaps easily 4X that area. Oh how I luv waxing nostalgically about the good ole days...
That's the neighborhood. It was the big city for someone from Edwardsburg, but living in NWI now, it's smallish.
