Done with Sniper Company in Fort Wayne

[ShaunB]

Sorry I helped further the troubles. Wait, you did that with your first few post in this thread.

Bunny I started reading from the beginning, I didn't make it past the 2nd page before I had to post something.

 

[ShaunB]

Say you'll have bacon and all will be forgiven.

We always have bacon, hell I would even do bacon pancakes.

 

[Scarecrow]

Is it kumbaya time yet?

 

[Bunnykid68]

Is it kumbaya time yet?

Not yet

 

[Cameramonkey]

Who is ?

I think you missed the purple (sarcasm)

 

[JetGirl]

Not sure if you guys have had the news just stop in and say "hey can we get a comment on the recent events".

Maybe without consent of the owner (to speak for him), your employees should be told to respond with "No comment".

This may have worked better...

"Dear INGO. I want to clarify

What he said ^

Sounds like you should hire LS&B for damage control.

Bunny I started reading from the beginning, I didn't make it past the 2nd page before I had to post something.

That's never really a good plan.
Don't ever try that with small print contracts...much like "the internet", they can last forever.

Also, please correct this if it's inaccurate, I was under the impression that the interview physically happened at Sniper Co DURING Mayday's employment... How could anybody affiliated there *not* know it was happening?
I don't get it.

All of that aside, are you verifying (by agreeing with LockstocksAndBarrels' post) that you now believe all private (Non-FFL) transfers should be protected under the Second Amendment?
Just to be 100% clear...

 

[octalman]

This entire thread is a perfect example of how the Left controls the debate on gun control and virtually any other topic. The Left has been allowed to frame the language of the discussion. For example "Gun Show Loophole", "Assault" rifle, "Gun Nut", etc. Right out of the Socialist playbook. Control the language and the debate is already won.

The poor employee is only repeating what has been drilled into his head from numerous sources. Maybe as a defender of the 2nd amendment, the business owner could spend a little time trying to de-program employees? Otherwise, his values and beliefs are compromised by employees and customers unhappy. I know, one would think anybody wanting a job in a gun store or firearm industry should be better informed.

 

[KG1]

This may have worked better...

"Dear INGO. I want to clarify the Sniperco stance on gun control. The TV piece was heavily edited and it made it appear we are for UBC and closing the so called "gun show loophole"

We do not support UBC and we do not favor banning private citizens selling firearms to other proper persons, period.

Mayday does not speak for my company and he is no longer employed at my company.

I hope this clears this issue up and I'm sorry if the perceptions from the media offended any of you. We are a good company to do business with, we care about our customers, our country and our Constitution.

I hope you will give us a chance to demonstrate this and we would love an opportunity to earn your business.

I can assure you that we will not disappoint."

This is pretty good. I'd buy something in your shop if you had one.

We are a good company to do business with, we care about our customers, our country and our Constitution.

^THIS^ Would be an excellent business creed to stick with.

 

[Chance]

Think you miss the point....

This may have worked better...

"Dear INGO. I want to clarify the Sniperco stance on gun control. The TV piece was heavily edited and it made it appear we are for UBC and closing the so called "gun show loophole"

We do not support UBC and we do not favor banning private citizens selling firearms to other proper persons, period.

Mayday does not speak for my company and he is no longer employed at my company.

I hope this clears this issue up and I'm sorry if the perceptions from the media offended any of you. We are a good company to do business with, we care about our customers, our country and our Constitution.

I hope you will give us a chance to demonstrate this and we would love an opportunity to earn your business.

I can assure you that we will not disappoint."

If you watched the news report, his comments were not "edited". There may have been more content to the interview, but the news got just what they wanted, a local "gun shop" backing up the panicked "loop-hole" theory. Maybe a business that is such a strong 2A supporter should have said, "We have no comment" instead of feeding into the media hype about how bad guns are and the "gun show loop-hole" that doesn't exist.

Gun shows are nothing more than a gathering place. You don't see the excise agent at an auto swap meet making sure everyone pays taxes on every purchase or verifying the driver's license and insurance before some one drives away.

Playing this off on a former employee that has since left the company (not due to this) is easy. If he had not left because of these "other reasons" would he have been fired for this interview? He was an employee at the time, he did make a statement as a representative of your company. I work for a large company. We all know what our company's policies are and we also know that all statements that have anything to do with our business must be cleared. We don't do TV interviews.

Shaun, your business has done many helpful things in the community. That's great, but it does not change this situation. Guess we will all wait to see what happens in the next interview.

 

[Mayday671]

yea I agree, but some don't believe me I did not approve him doing the interview. I have done them all except one that Travis did due to me having other obligations.

Not sure if you guys have had the news just stop in and say "hey can we get a comment on the recent events". But they know the questions to ask to spark an argument and people fall right into place.

Just look at their websites and facebook pages after doing an interview with us, they get more traffic then any other topic.

Actually yes you did authorize the interview and the stance I took on the issue. I specifically called you and informed you of the interview request and you informed me to do it. I told you I really didn't want to and you convinced me to go ahead. The interview was edited poorly but my stance on supporting Universal Background Checks has not changed, I support UBC's, however I never supported the UBC bill. I did not support the legislation because of the other regulations attached to it and the mental health database that was included. I personally would like to see a background check for all firearms purchases, Id like to see them be free to anyone to cover their asses on any private sales. I would like to see felons given a minimum 10 year sentence with no early release for being in possession of a firearm. I would like to see gun charges prosecuted and not dropped due to a plea. I would like a money tree growing in my living room, but I know most of these have no chance of ever happening. I personally know of several people who sold firearms during a private sale to another individual who they did not know. Which means they do not know if the person purchasing is legally allowed to possess the firearm. I can not support that being a legal and responsible gun owner, maybe those of you out there can. I know that when I sell a firearm to another individual, I make sure the firearm is transferred through a dealer to protect me as the seller and to assure the person I am selling to is legally allowed to purchase. Not sure why any of you would have an issue with that. Those are my opinions and they were the opinions of Sniperco at the time. I did inform Shaun and I was authorized for the interview, contrary to what he would have you believe. I would love to discuss my stance on gun ownership, background checks, class 3 ownership, and other 2nd amendment issues with anyone who wants to. None of this has to do with my relationship with Shaun, if it did then I would be posting much more. I simply am responding because Shaun is trying to put the blame on an employee to attempt to dodge the flak. Two other employees were there that day who confirm what I have posted and watched the interview in person as well as a couple customers. If any of you want to discuss my interview more, then hit me up, I would be more than happy to have a discussion. Just to clarify, I do not work their any longer.

 

[printcraft]

Actually yes you did authorize the interview and the stance I took on the issue. I specifically called you and informed you of the interview request and you informed me to do it. I told you I really didn't want to and you convinced me to go ahead. The interview was edited poorly but my stance on supporting Universal Background Checks has not changed, I support UBC's, however I never supported the UBC bill. I did not support the legislation because of the other regulations attached to it and the mental health database that was included. I personally would like to see a background check for all firearms purchases, Id like to see them be free to anyone to cover their asses on any private sales. I would like to see felons given a minimum 10 year sentence with no early release for being in possession of a firearm. I would like to see gun charges prosecuted and not dropped due to a plea. I would like a money tree growing in my living room, but I know most of these have no chance of ever happening. I personally know of several people who sold firearms during a private sale to another individual who they did not know. Which means they do not know if the person purchasing is legally allowed to possess the firearm. I can not support that being a legal and responsible gun owner, maybe those of you out there can. I know that when I sell a firearm to another individual, I make sure the firearm is transferred through a dealer to protect me as the seller and to assure the person I am selling to is legally allowed to purchase. Not sure why any of you would have an issue with that. Those are my opinions and they were the opinions of Sniperco at the time. I did inform Shaun and I was authorized for the interview, contrary to what he would have you believe. I would love to discuss my stance on gun ownership, background checks, class 3 ownership, and other 2nd amendment issues with anyone who wants to. None of this has to do with my relationship with Shaun, if it did then I would be posting much more. I simply am responding because Shaun is trying to put the blame on an employee to attempt to dodge the flak. Two other employees were there that day who confirm what I have posted and watched the interview in person as well as a couple customers. If any of you want to discuss my interview more, then hit me up, I would be more than happy to have a discussion. Just to clarify, I do not work their any longer.

 

[Mayday671]

yea I agree, but some don't believe me I did not approve him doing the interview. I have done them all except one that Travis did due to me having other obligations.

Not sure if you guys have had the news just stop in and say "hey can we get a comment on the recent events". But they know the questions to ask to spark an argument and people fall right into place.

Just look at their websites and facebook pages after doing an interview with us, they get more traffic then any other topic.

Actually yes you did authorize the interview and the stance I took on the issue. I specifically called you and informed you of the interview request and you informed me to do it. I told you I really didn't want to and you convinced me to go ahead. The interview was edited poorly but my stance on supporting Universal Background Checks has not changed, I support UBC's, however I never supported the UBC bill. I did not support the legislation because of the other regulations attached to it and the mental health database that was included. I personally would like to see a background check for all firearms purchases, Id like to see them be free to anyone to cover their asses on any private sales. I would like to see felons given a minimum 10 year sentence with no early release for being in possession of a firearm. I would like to see gun charges prosecuted and not dropped due to a plea. I would like a money tree growing in my living room, but I know most of these have no chance of ever happening. I personally know of several people who sold firearms during a private sale to another individual who they did not know. Which means they do not know if the person purchasing is legally allowed to possess the firearm. I can not support that being a legal and responsible gun owner, maybe those of you out there can. I know that when I sell a firearm to another individual, I make sure the firearm is transferred through a dealer to protect me as the seller and to assure the person I am selling to is legally allowed to purchase. Not sure why any of you would have an issue with that. Those are my opinions and they were the opinions of Sniperco at the time. I did inform Shaun and I was authorized for the interview, contrary to what he would have you believe. I would love to discuss my stance on gun ownership, background checks, class 3 ownership, and other 2nd amendment issues with anyone who wants to. None of this has to do with my relationship with Shaun, if it did then I would be posting much more. I simply am responding because Shaun is trying to put the blame on an employee to attempt to dodge the flak. Two other employees were there that day who confirm what I have posted and watched the interview in person as well as a couple customers. If any of you want to discuss my interview more, then hit me up, I would be more than happy to have a discussion. Just to clarify, I do not work their any longer.

 

[Mayday671]

If you watched the news report, his comments were not "edited". There may have been more content to the interview, but the news got just what they wanted, a local "gun shop" backing up the panicked "loop-hole" theory. Maybe a business that is such a strong 2A supporter should have said, "We have no comment" instead of feeding into the media hype about how bad guns are and the "gun show loop-hole" that doesn't exist.

Gun shows are nothing more than a gathering place. You don't see the excise agent at an auto swap meet making sure everyone pays taxes on every purchase or verifying the driver's license and insurance before some one drives away.

Playing this off on a former employee that has since left the company (not due to this) is easy. If he had not left because of these "other reasons" would he have been fired for this interview? He was an employee at the time, he did make a statement as a representative of your company. I work for a large company. We all know what our company's policies are and we also know that all statements that have anything to do with our business must be cleared. We don't do TV interviews.

Shaun, your business has done many helpful things in the community. That's great, but it does not change this situation. Guess we will all wait to see what happens in the next interview.

Your absolutely correct, my words were not edited but the interview was. I actually did talk about the gun show loop hole as everyone refers to and how private sales do not only happen at gun shows without background checks.

People somehow think I'm anti gun because I support a background check on all firearms purchases. I guess I don't see why.

Let's look at facts.

1. Any individual can sell a firearm to another individual without any kind of background check.

2. This means that a person who is unlawful to purchase or possess a firearm could purchase one from a law abiding individual without any way of stopping the sale.

3. This also means that someone unlawful to possess a firearm can sell a law abiding individual a firearm without the law abiding buyer knowing.

Now a universal background check system will not stop all firearms from changing hands between criminals, but it would prevent #2 and #3. How can that be seen as a bad idea? I would like to see a background check done for every firearms purchase with no restrictions for legal gun owners and a minimum 10 year sentence without early release for any felon caught with a firearm.

I think the minimum sentencing would be more of a deterrent for criminals even though it may only sway a few and the background check system would protect you from selling a firearm to a felon and prevent you from buying a firearm from a felon.

So tell me how this is a bad thing?

Do any of you really think that the 2nd amendment allows anyone to possess a firearm no matter if he is law abiding or a felon, because it seems many people think they should be able to buy a firearm from or sell a firearm to anyone they want to.

Would you really have a clear heart knowing that you sold a firearm to a felon or is it okay as long as you don't know anything about the person? (What I don't know won't hurt me)

What if you bought the firearm only to find out later that the seller was a felon and the firearm was used in a murder and now your a suspect and have to prove you bought it from someone else? Imagine the hassle and the loss of the firearm and money you would be out.

 

[JetGirl]

 

[Rookie]

Do any of you really think that the 2nd amendment allows anyone to possess a firearm no matter if he is law abiding or a felon, because it seems many people think they should be able to buy a firearm from or sell a firearm to anyone they want to.

Would you really have a clear heart knowing that you sold a firearm to a felon or is it okay as long as you don't know anything about the person? (What I don't know won't hurt me)

Yes and Yes.

Any other questions?

 

[Rookie]

I answered your questions, now here's one for you.

Why did you wait three weeks to drag this back up?

 

[buckstopshere]

Your absolutely correct, my words were not edited but the interview was. I actually did talk about the gun show loop hole as everyone refers to and how private sales do not only happen at gun shows without background checks.

People somehow think I'm anti gun because I support a background check on all firearms purchases. I guess I don't see why.

Let's look at facts.

1. Any individual can sell a firearm to another individual without any kind of background check.

2. This means that a person who is unlawful to purchase or possess a firearm could purchase one from a law abiding individual without any way of stopping the sale.

3. This also means that someone unlawful to possess a firearm can sell a law abiding individual a firearm without the law abiding buyer knowing.

Now a universal background check system will not stop all firearms from changing hands between criminals, but it would prevent #2 and #3. How can that be seen as a bad idea? I would like to see a background check done for every firearms purchase with no restrictions for legal gun owners and a minimum 10 year sentence without early release for any felon caught with a firearm.

I think the minimum sentencing would be more of a deterrent for criminals even though it may only sway a few and the background check system would protect you from selling a firearm to a felon and prevent you from buying a firearm from a felon.

So tell me how this is a bad thing?

Do any of you really think that the 2nd amendment allows anyone to possess a firearm no matter if he is law abiding or a felon, because it seems many people think they should be able to buy a firearm from or sell a firearm to anyone they want to.

Would you really have a clear heart knowing that you sold a firearm to a felon or is it okay as long as you don't know anything about the person? (What I don't know won't hurt me)

What if you bought the firearm only to find out later that the seller was a felon and the firearm was used in a murder and now your a suspect and have to prove you bought it from someone else? Imagine the hassle and the loss of the firearm and money you would be out.

I sold my car to a guy and didn't check his drivers license. Turns out, he is a drunk and wrecked the car a month later killing an 80 year old woman and a panda bear. I wish I had done a background check. If I had, there's no way he would've gotten a car.

I sold a hammer to a neighbor because I had extra and he didn't want to go to the store. He beat his wife to death with it. I wish I had done a background check. If I had, there's no way he would've gotten a hammer.

I sold a knife......

I gifted a baseball bat......

No matter what excuses you give or any lame attempt at spinning your words, you do not believe in the 2A as a right. It is a privilege to you granted by the state. You don't have to ask permission to exercise your rights. If you are not currently in jail, you should be able to own a firearm IMO. Your debt to society has been paid.

 

[Rookie]

DISCLAIMER: No panda bears were harmed in the sale of my firearm.

 

[Mayday671]

I answered your questions, now here's one for you.

Why did you wait three weeks to drag this back up?

Actually I was just told about all the posts. A friend informed me that Shaun had stated the interview was not authorized so I logged on and posted about it. I only get to log in about once a month or so do to a heavy work schedule.

 

[Mayday671]

I sold my car to a guy and didn't check his drivers license. Turns out, he is a drunk and wrecked the car a month later killing an 80 year old woman and a panda bear. I wish I had done a background check. If I had, there's no way he would've gotten a car.

I sold a hammer to a neighbor because I had extra and he didn't want to go to the store. He beat his wife to death with it. I wish I had done a background check. If I had, there's no way he would've gotten a hammer.

I sold a knife......

I gifted a baseball bat......

No matter what excuses you give or any lame attempt at spinning your words, you do not believe in the 2A as a right. It is a privilege to you granted by the state. You don't have to ask permission to exercise your rights. If you are not currently in jail, you should be able to own a firearm IMO. Your debt to society has been paid.

Actually in every case the buyer wasn't buying something he legally couldn't and the bill of rights does not mean you get to keep all of those rights no matter what crimes you commit. You give up many rights when you commit a felony, including gun ownership. I find it interesting that you believe a felon should be allowed to own a firearm.