For people under 21 wanting to buy a handgun.

[CarmelHP]

I was offered a trade for one of my pistols from someone that was under 21 so i checked online to see what everybody thought. Well most say that if it is a private sale/trade it is fine. I wasn't sure so i called the BATFE to make sure and here is what i was told. "It is against federal law for someone under the age of 21 to obtain a handgun, it can be given, but not traded for or bought." I just thought i would pass along what i was told today, i was also told that you can own a handgun if you are under 21 as long as it was a gift. Mods, if this is in the wrong place, please feel free to move it.

Calling ATF or a cop is almost as hit and miss as asking a gun shop to interpret the law. Private party sales of handguns at 18 are perfectly legal if state law allows, only FFL holders are prohibited from making such a sale.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Very nice agents, they answered a lot of questions i had. They just wanted to know why i have bought so many handguns this year, mainly having 23 pistols called in at one time throws up a red flag. That purchase plus all the others required a visit.

I'm surprised they didn't just think you were working for Holder...

 

[JoshuaW]

State and Fed conflict (that's why the age to be able to get a license is 18).
You can, in fact, purchase privately at 18.

But when federal and state conflict, the feds are still "entitled" to enforce their law.


With that having been said, I call BS because if that were the case, there would most certainly be cases to reference. Since when gas the federal government not enforced a pointless law?

 

[JetGirl]

Firstly, multiple purchases do incur visits and inquiry.

Nextly, the agents are telling you federal laws that apply to FFL license holders.
It is completely legal for an 18 year old to buy/sell/trade to a PRIVATE individual who does NOT hold an FFL license.

Lastly, you've been given the IC here. It is indisputable.

 

[turnandshoot4]

Wait a minute, if they aren't keeping the 4473 how do they know?

 

[Bunnykid68]

Firstly, multiple purchases do incur visits and inquiry.

Nextly, the agents are telling you federal laws that apply to FFL license holders.
It is completely legal for an 18 year old to buy/sell/trade to a PRIVATE individual who does NOT hold an FFL license.

Lastly, you've been given the IC here. It is indisputable.

Yep, indisputable.

 

[JetGirl]

Wait a minute, if they aren't keeping the 4473 how do they know?

When multiple purchases are made (even within days of each other) a special "multiple purchases" form has to be faxed from the FFL holder.

 

[Drakkule]

When multiple purchases are made (even within days of each other) a special "multiple purchases" form has to be faxed from the FFL holder.

Yep, i know, i had to fill out the paperwork, they said they just noticed i have been buying a lot of firearms this year. I asked how many i could buy, and they said there is no limit, but the amount i bought throws up a red flag. They were very surprised that i still have almost all of them. I was told to expect a visit when i picked them up, i guess i will slow down how many i buy. Oh wait i just won another auction, so i won't be stopping, just slowing down. I was also told that kitchen table FFL are still being granted, as this is what they suggested i do.

 

[subtlesixer03]

Yep, i know, i had to fill out the paperwork, they said they just noticed i have been buying a lot of firearms this year. I asked how many i could buy, and they said there is no limit, but the amount i bought throws up a red flag. They were very surprised that i still have almost all of them. I was told to expect a visit when i picked them up, i guess i will slow down how many i buy. Oh wait i just won another auction, so i won't be stopping, just slowing down. I was also told that kitchen table FFL are still being granted, as this is what they suggested i do.

So does this mean I will be getting a visit for tradeing you one this year? GRRREAAATTT. My wife is gonna love that one.....
Ill be grownded from buying a gun for at least a year!!!

Though the trading thing can be adictive and fun. I have actually traded for some guns I never even new exhisted and some I thought I would never even hold let alone own. Ive found you can go though alot of them to find the ones you really like. I have 2 I doubt I will ever sell and one that I want to pass on for generations.

 

[Drakkule]

You have nothing to worry about, all the guns i traded for got lost in the big INGO boating disaster. They did ask that i keep some kind of record to cover my butt, and i do, but they didn't ask to see anything, and i didn't offer. The only way i would share any info with the government is if the gun was used in a crime, other than that, it's a private sale/trade, so it stays private. They just wanted to make sure i was not running a business, and i am not. I will still be trading/selling some of my pistols off, but i will not be buying much from a shop anymore. They were very polite, and just doing their jobs, and not once did i feel like i was being talked down to, or anything like that. I was a little worried, but i knew i had not broken any laws, so i wasn't too worried.

 

[JetGirl]

Yep, i know, i had to fill out the paperwork,

You shouldn't have had to fill those multiple purchase forms out. The FFL holder should have.

 

[MrsGungho]

You shouldn't have had to fill those multiple purchase forms out. The FFL holder should have.

I was just going to say the same thing. I have never nor will I ever ask a customer to fill out that form. Not their job.

 

[MrsGungho]

Here is the form we refer to when we say "multiple handgun purchases"

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-3310-4.pdf

#5 says "Licensees must complete"
So if you filled this out the shop was wrong

 

[JetGirl]

I was just going to say the same thing.

 

[MrsGungho]

It's amazing women can agree on something other than shoes huh?

 

[JetGirl]

It's amazing women can agree on something other than shoes huh?

Whaddaya mean? There's LOTS of stuff!
There's chocolate candy, chocolate cake, chocolate ice cream, chocolate...well, this could take hours.

 

[MrsGungho]

Whaddaya mean? There's LOTS of stuff!
There's chocolate candy, chocolate cake, chocolate ice cream, chocolate...well, this could take hours.

touche'

 

[Drakkule]

He is my boss, thats the only reason i filled out the paperwork, after i did he double checked it and faxed it in.

 

[jason765]

this is absolutely right, I had my LTC at 18 and carried my ruger .357mag that my dad bought me for my 18th b-day. I could carry but I couldnt buy the ammo.

 

[JetGirl]

He is my boss, thats the only reason i filled out the paperwork, after i did he double checked it and faxed it in.

Well, that makes more sense.