Guardian Angels in Indianapolis

[Que]

I really don't care if people give me negative rep. I am just here to help stimulate conversation, not start fights about stuff. The whole point is to have a running dialogue so that a resolution can be reached.

I work at IU. Let's do lunch one da,y and since you are a student, it's on me. However, Buffalouies is my main spot, so if you are interested let me know what day/time you are free.

 

[cartmanfan15]

Not sure that would be safe for you. Would not want to ruin your rep on here since I'm guessing most people want to label me as a socialist/liberal gun grabber.

 

[sj kahr k40]

cartman, who gets to decided whom would get to carry?

Would you be fine if the powers that be decided that political science majors didn't have the right to carry?

 

[cartmanfan15]

The government that we appointed. Not saying I agree with that entirely, but we did elect them in order that they should look out for our best interests. If they chose to ban political science majors the right to carry, so be it. That is their right as elected officials, a right that we gave them.

 

[sj kahr k40]

The government that we appointed. Not saying I agree with that entirely, but we did elect them in order that they should look out for our best interests. If they chose to ban political science majors the right to carry, so be it. That is their right as elected officials, a right that we gave them.

I'm sorry but the right to defend ones life was never given, it was confirmed by the constitution.

 

[Hiram2005]

Not sure that would be safe for you. Would not want to ruin your rep on here since I'm guessing most people want to label me as a socialist/liberal gun grabber.

IMO, Que wouldn't have to worry about getting negative rep. I have met and talked with him, he's good people. If he wants to meet with you, I would say you should.

 

[IndyMonkey]

The government that we appointed. Not saying I agree with that entirely, but we did elect them in order that they should look out for our best interests. If they chose to ban political science majors the right to carry, so be it. That is their right as elected officials, a right that we gave them.

Your such a romantic on how you think the government works.

Hopefully with age you will figure out how the world really works.

 

[TopDog]

The government that we appointed. Not saying I agree with that entirely, but we did elect them in order that they should look out for our best interests. If they chose to ban political science majors the right to carry, so be it. That is their right as elected officials, a right that we gave them.

Hold on there big man. I didn't elect any of them.
I'm not a socialist and don't like being clumped in with them.

 

[Que]

Not sure that would be safe for you. Would not want to ruin your rep on here since I'm guessing most people want to label me as a socialist/liberal gun grabber.

I'm not worried about that, but it's up to you.

 

[singlesix]

The government that we appointed. Not saying I agree with that entirely, but we did elect them in order that they should look out for our best interests. If they chose to ban political science majors the right to carry, so be it. That is their right as elected officials, a right that we gave them.

What part of "Shall Not Infringed" don't you understand. The Bill of Rights was put in place to ensure that the "appointed government" didn't negate the rights of the people. So you are saying it is OK for the government to decide which rights applies to which person?

 

[Joe Williams]

I really don't care if people give me negative rep. I am just here to help stimulate conversation, not start fights about stuff. The whole point is to have a running dialogue so that a resolution can be reached.

The resolution is for people to stop crapping on the Constitution, stop trying to destroy the rights of a free people, and stop trying to rule over others.

There can be no compromise. Compromise only showed that they will come after more of our rights. Compromising freedom is betraying this nation.

So, the resolution is to stop breaking the law of the land, and restore our rights. Or, eventually, be willing to fight to take them.

 

[Que]

The government that we appointed. Not saying I agree with that entirely, but we did elect them in order that they should look out for our best interests. If they chose to ban political science majors the right to carry, so be it. That is their right as elected officials, a right that we gave them.

Officials aren't elected to "look out" for our best interest, but to serve our best interests; there is a distinct difference. You cannot allow those put in place to serve us, the right to take away the power we give them. We did not give them that right. Many politicians forget that they serve at the will of the people, but we remind them when we vote them out.

I must say, the highlighted statement scares me. Are you really that open to laying down your rights? Would you not fight for your Constitutional rights? How about a violation of your Fifth Amendment rights or even the First?

 

[PatriotPride]

Looks like I added the 5th red blip. I think my opinion of those anti-Constitutional posts have already been expressed by others.

You want to take my firearms, or support more unConstitutional regulation? Come and get them.

Back to the OP...seems like a terrible idea to me. I have little patience for people such as these, and if a red-beret'd person or two got in MY face over some percieved wrongdoing, I could see the situation going south in an instant. They have no right to lay a hand on me, and should they attempt to do so for any percieved wrongdoing, they'll learn how quickly a firearm in the right hands can de-escalate a situation.

 

[PatriotPride]

Officials aren't elected to "look out" for our best interest, but to serve our best interests; there is a distinct difference. You cannot allow those put in place to serve us, the right to take away the power we give them. We did not give them that right. Many politicians forget that they serve at the will of the people, but we remind them when we vote them out.

I must say, the highlighted statement scares me. Are you really that open to laying down your rights? Would you not fight for your Constitutional rights? How about a violation of your Fifth Amendment rights or even the First?

Well said. +1.

If it comes down to it, I will fight for my rights, not only for my sake, but for the sake of the children and the unborn, so that they may have freedom.

 

[EnochRoot43]

Officials aren't elected to "look out" for our best interest, but to serve our best interests;

Why is this so hard for some folks to understand? And why does a poli sci major not understand that a CONSTITUTION is crafted for the protection of all from the tyranny of the majority?

A closer look at the road to utopia that your professors espouse will reveal countless bricks of bu!!*****.

 

[indytechnerd]

re: the OP - when I saw the news blurb that these guys were coming, I turned to my wife and said, "I give it 6 months before one of them is dead." With all the hype, I'm sure some banger is looking for a badge of honor for taking out one of these guys. Sad, but probably going to come true.

re: the Constitution, IU, Que, and Cartman - I'd take Que up on the lunch deal, that's hard to argue with. Especially if you're "just here to help stimulate conversation", you'll find plenty of folks on this board who can intelligently talk at length about our rights (they are kinda important to us). Free lunch, stimulating conversation, I guess if Que was a leggy blond, that would add to it, but 2 outta 3 ain't bad. Rather than Que worrying about neg rep, I'm gonna boost him some for suggesting it. Take him up on it, and I'll try to stem the tide of those red blips under your name.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

The government that we appointed. Not saying I agree with that entirely, but we did elect them in order that they should look out for our best interests. If they chose to ban political science majors the right to carry, so be it. That is their right as elected officials, a right that we gave them.

As a political science major you should know that the govt does not have rights, they have powers and/or authority. You can not give someone rights, you can only infringe on them.

Sorry for the threadjack but that is one of my pet peeves.

 

[dhdoug]

QUE DA MAN!! QUE DA MAN!!! sorry, i'll calm down now.

 

[Thumper]

I first encountered the Guardian Angels back in the late 80s. There was a huge fight or something at Washington Square Mall. I believe the mall may have called them, as I am not sure that cops working off-duty were around back then. Anyways, they had a van with an amber strobe on it, though I think now it was more for just getting people's attention and nothing like running lights and siren. Walking though the mall, my dad must have talked to one of the guys. From what I recall, they had two groups: Adult, grown men, and younger guys (late high school, college age). The grown men stood as sentries, just keeping a presence. The younger guys were made to walk in groups, which helps with the lack of experience/maturity found in some 18-23 year olds. Their only task was to walk around and just talk/hangout and to call for one of the adults if there was trouble.

The one thing I do remember is one of the older men who was standing at one of the mall/anchor entry/exits had a handgun and he was OCing. Now maybe this guy was a police officer, and they could do that back then, not sure.

I know in today's society, these folks better be damn sure they don't violate anyone's rights. Lawsuits and criminal charges seem to be more likely today than they would be in decades past, even if the folks were acting in good faith and likely stopped something from taking place (fight, theft, etc.).

They was a bunch of punks in the 80s.They was run out of town for that fact and it will not get any better.

 

[Que]

Quote from link below:

After 31 years of wearing his red beret and walking the street, Sliwa is a recognizable figure and is welcome in most towns, but that wasn't the case here 25 years ago.
"I actually came [to Indianapolis] in the 80s to speak about the Guardian Angels and was run out of town," he said. "Might as well have been folks with pitchforks saying, 'Hey, this is 'Leave It To Beaver' land. We don't need Guardian Angels'."

Guardian Angels begin patrolling Indianapolis streets - 13 WTHR

It was this quote that made me realize not only are they going to get hurt, but they are going to get hurt because of their leader! My father taught me to respect the homes of those I visit.