I guess the new USPSA rules are official now??

[jakemartens]

Instant replay soon?

It's not allowed officially
But I saw it used at national's
Those people do as they wish

Getting back to the picture of hickmans glock.
At some point in the past the stippling he has in front of the slide stop, where your left thumb is when you have a firing grip, was specifically not allowed in production
I can't find that in the rules anymore and I haven't shot production since 2013 or 14
It has probably changed.

There was a lot done in Feb of 2018 that actually covers this

Video
https://uspsa.org/documents/minutes/20180209 16 video use in arbitration and field of play.pdf

Production discussion
https://uspsa.org/documents/minutes/20180209 17 Production Division.pdf

That lead to Appendix D4 21.4 allowing grip modifications which include stippling etc
and changing of smalls being allowed.

I have not read the new rulebook, actually I didn't read the last one either, I just learned how to look stuff up

 

[riverman67]

There was a lot done in Feb of 2018 that actually covers this

Video
https://uspsa.org/documents/minutes/20180209 16 video use in arbitration and field of play.pdf

Production discussion
https://uspsa.org/documents/minutes/20180209 17 Production Division.pdf

That lead to Appendix D4 21.4 allowing grip modifications which include stippling etc
and changing of smalls being allowed.

I have not read the new rulebook, actually I didn't read the last one either, I just learned how to look stuff up

Hey
I tried to look it up
Couldn't find it, assumed it wasn't a thing anymore.
Reading your links I think I'm correct, still not sure though.

 

[jakemartens]

Hey
I tried to look it up
Couldn't find it, assumed it wasn't a thing anymore.
Reading your links I think I'm correct, still not sure though.

you are correct, it used to not be allowed however with the change last year allowing grip modifications you can stipple there.
You just can not add or remove material that creates a thumb rest or beavertail.

 

[blkrifle]

Production is stupid. All that reloading, all the rules, etc.
PCC for the win!

 

[riverman67]

Production is stupid. All that reloading, all the rules, etc.
PCC for the win!

But...,but you're shooting a rifle....at a pistol match
It is way less stupid than production though

 

[Grelber]

It is way less stupid than production though

SS for the win? I think they changed those rules too but the USPSA website is down for maintenance right now so there is no way to know.

 

[jakemartens]

SS for the win? I think they changed those rules too but the USPSA website is down for maintenance right now so there is no way to know.

the app is up

There is a reason why Limited is the most popular division, great guns with great triggers and lots of major caliber ammo

 

[sv40sw45]

the app is up

There is a reason why Limited is the most popular division, great guns with great triggers and lots of major caliber ammo

Liked it better 25 years ago when it was just Open and Limited.

 

[HICKMAN]

you are correct, it used to not be allowed however with the change last year allowing grip modifications you can stipple there.
You just can not add or remove material that creates a thumb rest or beavertail.

that's what I figured. I knew before when they started allowing it there was a picture that showed where.

The 19 will just be temp until a get a 34 built for Production or until I figure out how the hell Carry Optics works. It seems like open with plastic guns in 9mm?

 

[riverman67]

that's what I figured. I knew before when they started allowing it there was a picture that showed where.

The 19 will just be temp until a get a 34 built for Production or until I figure out how the hell Carry Optics works. It seems like open with plastic guns in 9mm?

More like production with full 140mm mags and a slide ride dot.

 

[HICKMAN]

oh.. so full mags? sweet!!

 

[Coach]

It was not allowed. Now it is allowed. It the big trend of stupid that is the problem not all of the specifics. The rules should keep things safe. The rules should keep the scoring consistent. So 99% are just dumb.

 

[riverman67]

It was not allowed. Now it is allowed. It the big trend of stupid that is the problem not all of the specifics. The rules should keep things safe. The rules should keep the scoring consistent. So 99% are just dumb.[/Q

Uhmm yeah
No argument from me

 

[M0244]

I'm very late to the game, took a nap from shooting and the rules changed.

 

[HICKMAN]

same... about six years...

 

[rvb]

I just wish USPSA would post actual red lines. This "change log" is a PITA to flip back and forth between the change log and rule book to read the changes in context.

-rvb

 

[rvb]

I made a red-lined pdf.... anyone know where I could post it?

-rvb

 

[rvb]

5.7.2.1
So even after the RO says "stop," getting a squib rod and clearing the squib right there (as is often done since you usually need a rod to check for a squib anyway) now gets the shooter a DQ? Regardless whether they sweep themselves, etc?
What if the RO clears it?
-rvb

 

[jakemartens]

Instant replay soon?

It's not allowed officially
But I saw it used at national's
Those people do as they wish

Getting back to the picture of hickmans glock.
At some point in the past the stippling he has in front of the slide stop, where your left thumb is when you have a firing grip, was specifically not allowed in production
I can't find that in the rules anymore and I haven't shot production since 2013 or 14
It has probably changed.

5.7.2.1
So even after the RO says "stop," getting a squib rod and clearing the squib right there (as is often done since you usually need a rod to check for a squib anyway) now gets the shooter a DQ? Regardless whether they sweep themselves, etc?
What if the RO clears it?
-rvb

5.7.2.1 Attempting to clear a suspected “squib” is specifically prohibitedunder this provision whether the range officer has called stop ornot. Attempting to clear a squib during a course of fire isconsidered unsafe gun handling and will result in a disqualification(see 10.5.20).

Key words are during a course of fire, this is to keep a shooter from pulling a a rod out during a course of fire, clearing it and continuing on shooting.
If an RO calls stop, ULSC, what happens next is not during the course of fire.

 

[rvb]

5.7.2.1 Attempting to clear a suspected “squib” is specifically prohibitedunder this provision whether the range officer has called stop ornot. Attempting to clear a squib during a course of fire isconsidered unsafe gun handling and will result in a disqualification(see 10.5.20).

Key words are during a course of fire, this is to keep a shooter from pulling a a rod out during a course of fire, clearing it and continuing on shooting.
If an RO calls stop, ULSC, what happens next is not during the course of fire.

"Range is Clear" is the end of the COF.

That command can't be given until the gun is put away. So clearing a squib between "stop" and "Range is clear" is a DQ by the new rule...

-rvb