"I Vote For The Man" An Outdated Concept....

[Clay Pigeon]

My dad, a hard core Republican, didn't care much to be confronted/hollered at...
Keep in mind he was leaning on a political sign in line to vote at the time.

A SCREECHING, nearly hysterical woman got in his face screaming her grandfather was a republican, her dad was a republican, she was a republican and her kids will be republican!
And I mean at the top of her lungs...

Dad, very calmly said, "I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was a inherited birth defect." And slipped around her to go vote...

I have no idea why politics makes people so insane, but it sure does!

Smelling silver solder flux does the same thing.

Answering for a friend.

 

[JeepHammer]

I haven't run into 'ANTIFA' first hand, not even sure that's correct spelling...
I have seen NAZIs & White Supremacists first hand.

A guy I'm friendly with sent me some ANTIFA video he shot when they blocked a highway, clashed with virtually everyone around them.
I looked up ANTIFA video on YouTube and watched it until I got bored...

WHAT I SAW WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES WITH NO JOBS SPECIFICALLY GATHERING TO GO AT EACH OTHER!
I don't know about you all, but I don't have time to get in the car, drive someplace to argue/yell at people, push & shove, maybe get pepper sprayed/arrested...

Proverb:
"When a wise man and an idiot argue, onlookers can't tell the difference"

The idiot gains validity by baiting the wise man into an argument, while the wise man looses dignity for arguing with an idiot.
To me, a public screaming argument makes them both look like idiots with no self control.

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Is there anyone old enough to remember the anti- Viet Nam war protests in the 60s/70s?
Instead of 'Hippies' they are dressed in black and wear in masks, but it looks about the same.
Lots of hormones, lots of spare time, not enough life experience...

I don't have a 'Good Old Days' filter, I remember there was about 1,000 bombings a year back then...
Radicals blowing up military recruiting offices and ROTC centers, 'Bikers' blowing up each other, gangsters blowing up each other, white supremacists blowing up civil rights people/centers...
It was a crazy time.

I'm aware that bikers/gangsters weren't USSR backed, it just added to the number of bombings.

Since the USSR fell and let the US aquire some of their files, WE KNOW FOR A FACT that over a Billion US Dollars were pumped into activist groups in the US from the USSR to increase the unrest and violence, to support the propaganda campaign.
With the invention of the internet, it's MUCH cheaper/easier for enemies of the US to do the same job...
Is that what's going on again?
I would have to say so with just one Russian troll mill the NSA is tracking producing 33,000 memes/tweets a MONTH...

Also keep in mind, this tactic helped the Communists WIN the Viet-Nam war.
It worked to divide us.
That's a terrifying thought when you consider what's going on now...

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I know we have our own home grown 'Crazies', no shortage of self-importance outrage and 'Look At Me' stuff....
Meltdowns over parking spots and cold drinks, etc.
But do YOU think current Russia/Putin is pulling a page out of the old KGB play book and doing it again just to screw us up even further?

At the very least, everyone is trying to show their 'Opponents' in the worst possible light,
But do you think many of the outright lies are backed/spread and/or generated by people that want to divide and weaken us?

We still have a vote, it still works with all the gerrymandering, WE OBVIOUSLY NEED 'NEW MANAGEMENT'!

 

[jamil]

1) Probably should go read the Antifa thread.

2) This time it’s not just Russia working to cause strife and division. China’s working at it too.

 

[Expat]

I’m not really saying a lot differently. Democrats rarely check enough boxes for me that they’re the least worst outcome. And since they’ve gone totally bat **** crazy, ain’t a chance in hell I’d vote for that outcome. Unfortunately that lowers the bar for the outcome I’m willing to settle for.

The Dems only had one candidate in the start of their primaries last time that seemed half way sane. He didn't last long.

 

[jamil]

The Dems only had one candidate in the start of their primaries last time that seemed half way sane. He didn't last long.

No. They booed/laughed him off the stage for not answering a question by attacking political foes. The question was something like which enemy were you proudest of defeating. Of course the Democrats pretty much attacked people on the other side of the isle as their enemy.

Webb’s response made evident the folly of those responses. He got real. “Probably the enemy soldier that threw a grenade at me — but he's not around to talk now”

The audience’s laughter and boos pretty much showed him where the Democratic Party was then. It’s only gotten worse. It’s now the party of AOC, with a platform that is foreign to most Americans.

 

[indiucky]

My Grandpa used to say "I always vote for the man, it isn't my fault that has always been the Republican".

That's straight up Kentucky hillbilly logic right there....Thumbs up....

 

[Fargo]

One team is currently imposing gun control via executive order because certain weapons are too military like.

You are really going to tell me that that team supports the second amendment in any way that could be a check on tyranny?

LOL

 

[Expat]

That's straight up Kentucky hillbilly logic right there....Thumbs up....

In that county being a Republican didn't put you in danger of ever voting for the winner anyway.

 

[Ingomike]

Bull****. AOC and Nancy Pelosi are ideologue ****s. So because they’re ideologue ****s you want to be an ideologue **** too? If they jumped off the left side of a a bridge would you jump off the bridge too? Well, the right side.

It’s turning into a team sport though. People get divided and they take sides. The more you think that way the more divided and deluded the teams become. “Team” thinking is fine for sports and nebulous employers’ metaphors. The problem with team thinking is that it leads to a group sort of think where legalistic people devise rules of purity and expect everyone on the team to conform. **** that. I’ll think for myself, thank you. “Groupthink” isn’t just a thing on the left. The groupthink on the right is more subtle, but it’s there.

That said, when the logical conclusion of your voting system is a binary choice between just two directions, a person who guards himself from groupthink, avoids teams, still picks the least bad direction.

In 2020, if the choice is between a bat**** crazy socialist and a crass, authoritarian, ethically corrupt capitalist, I’ll take the capitalist because at least with capitalism is the only economic system of the two friendly to individuals.

So. There is no need to join a teams and accept the team rules. No need to pick the man. Just pock the outcome. **** teams.

I agree with most of your post. My OP was not about Presidential elections. But with 90% party line voting in congress it is a team vote by default, you can pretend to be selecting the "man" but it is a 90% team vote, no way about it.

MM

 

[jamil]

I agree with most of your post. My OP was not about Presidential elections. But with 90% party line voting in congress it is a team vote by default, you can pretend to be selecting the "man" but it is a 90% team vote, no way about it.

MM

It’s not a team vote, though for me the outcome is the same. There are no viable democrats to vote for. And as I said it’s not that it’s selecting a man (or woman). It’s really about selecting an outcome based on issues, not on teams, sides or people.

 

[JeepHammer]

1) Probably should go read the Antifa thread.

2) This time it’s not just Russia working to cause strife and division. China’s working at it too.

If I were to attempt education on 'ANTIFA', it wouldn't be by random comments & insult thread.
As it turns out, the YouTube videos showed me enough to know I honestly don't care until shots get fired...

There is no doubt China, North Korea, and about every other bad actor with an internet connection is doing it.
The internet is a pipeline, a propaganda funnel into about every single America pocket/brain pan, they would be complete idiots not to take advantage.
You can't 'Un-see' that crap once you see it....

 

[bwframe]

Still haven't heard of the pro-gun dems? Not in 2019 anyway.

While some may claim they are 2A friendly, when does their party as a whole allow them to vote as such? We know when. When it doesn't matter.

Even if there are good dems out there looking out for our interests, why would they stay in the dem party with all the extreme party platforms? Because a lot of "us" are gullible enough to fall for them, that's why.

Did we not learn from Joe Donnelly? Did we not learn from Nancy and OAC this week with their commentary on dems going off the reservation?

 

[Trigger Time]

In all honesty we will fix this country when America votes for neither in their current form. But i sure as hell will never ever vote for another candidate with a (D) next to their name even if Jesus himself came back down from heaven and ran as a democrat. I truly wouldn't.
Because i believe that its the polar opposite and satan represents the democrats. And certainly they are NOT the party for America and the Republic she stands for. They wish to replace it. Well not only no thank you but how about go **** yourselves!

 

[Thor]

Anyone who signs onto the platform of death and taxes (and gun control) should not be supported by any American. Anyone who supports the party of death, taxes, and gun control (and socialism) doesn't deserve to live in America.

That's America as a grand idea of self reliance, opportunity, and freedom. The America where Steinbeck said "There are no poor Americans, there are only temporarily disadvantaged millionaires". The America where capitalism and freedom created the greatest boon to humanity in the history of man. Sure we've made our mistakes, who hasn't, but this system works as opposed to that other system that always ends in starvation and genocide. Vote for the system that works.

 

[JeepHammer]

That's pretty much a clean sweep!

 

[jamil]

I think people on both sides have an unrealistic image of what America is. It’s not Satan and it’s not Jesus. It’s more like the cumulative aggregation of images from the imaginations of 350 million individuals.

 

[jamil]

Still haven't heard of the pro-gun dems? Not in 2019 anyway.

While some may claim they are 2A friendly, when does their party as a whole allow them to vote as such? We know when. When it doesn't matter.

Even if there are good dems out there looking out for our interests, why would they stay in the dem party with all the extreme party platforms? Because a lot of "us" are gullible enough to fall for them, that's why.

Did we not learn from Joe Donnelly? Did we not learn from Nancy and OAC this week with their commentary on dems going off the reservation?

I wonder if it’s something like Liam Neeson. A black person rapes a friend and it pisses you off so that you blame the entire group, and then want retribution against the group for the sins of an individual.

I’ve never favored the Democrats overall. I hate big government. I think the welfare state has done more to harm the poor than help. I think unions are corrupt and have gone far beyond their mandate. I disagree with most of the traditional Democratic platform. That’s the Democrat of the past. And I don’t hate him or think he’s “the enemy”.

What’s happening to the new Democrats is truly remarkable. They’re Marxists. Not all Democrats are Marxists. But there is a growing Marxists caucus in the party that is unmistakable and dangerous.

I guess we could band together in our own team, and think that all Democrats are the enemy. Enough of the act like enemies. Maybe we can take the figurative version of the Liam Neeson approach. But when we band together in this team, what are the rules? You gonna scold oeople for not being sufficiently supportive of Trump? The problem with the fringe right is that it’s just a miror image of the fringe left. Just as identitarian, just as collectivist, just as prejudicial, just as ruthless.

I think the way we defeat the real enemy is to think of the enemy as not just a group we can attach pejorative lables to. Rather its plural. The “enemy” a collection of harmful ideas, and attack the ideas. If we look at it as attacking the dangerous ideas, issue by issue, then everyone who opposes the idea can work against it. Not as a homogeneous team. I’m not gonna join your team. Your team is a constituent of some of those harmful ideas.

Point is, I think on some of the core issues like the primacy of the individual over the group, freedom of speech, etcetera, there are many advocates who might belong to what you classify as the enemy. Like those moderate Democrats who dared to vote with Republicans and ran afoul of their Party. But no. Gotta be us vs them, which is retarded.

 

[bwframe]

I wonder if it’s something like Liam Neeson. A black person rapes a friend and it pisses you off so that you blame the entire group, and then want retribution against the group for the sins of an individual.

I’ve never favored the Democrats overall. I hate big government. I think the welfare state has done more to harm the poor than help. I think unions are corrupt and have gone far beyond their mandate. I disagree with most of the traditional Democratic platform. That’s the Democrat of the past. And I don’t hate him or think he’s “the enemy”.

What’s happening to the new Democrats is truly remarkable. They’re Marxists. Not all Democrats are Marxists. But there is a growing Marxists caucus in the party that is unmistakable and dangerous.

I guess we could band together in our own team, and think that all Democrats are the enemy. Enough of the act like enemies. Maybe we can take the figurative version of the Liam Neeson approach. But when we band together in this team, what are the rules? You gonna scold oeople for not being sufficiently supportive of Trump? The problem with the fringe right is that it’s just a miror image of the fringe left. Just as identitarian, just as collectivist, just as prejudicial, just as ruthless.

I think the way we defeat the real enemy is to think of the enemy as not just a group we can attach pejorative lables to. Rather its plural. The “enemy” a collection of harmful ideas, and attack the ideas. If we look at it as attacking the dangerous ideas, issue by issue, then everyone who opposes the idea can work against it. Not as a homogeneous team. I’m not gonna join your team. Your team is a constituent of some of those harmful ideas.

Point is, I think on some of the core issues like the primacy of the individual over the group, freedom of speech, etcetera, there are many advocates who might belong to what you classify as the enemy. Like those moderate Democrats who dared to vote with Republicans and ran afoul of their Party. But no. Gotta be us vs them, which is retarded.

As is common with your posts my friend, TLDR.

I did catch the bottom line though. Seems as though a lot of us are "retarded" in your mind. I wonder if that's an appropriate choice of words?

Us vs the anti-gunners? Seems like a given to me.

 

[Route 45]

I wonder if it’s something like Liam Neeson. A black person rapes a friend and it pisses you off so that you blame the entire group, and then want retribution against the group for the sins of an individual.

I’ve never favored the Democrats overall. I hate big government. I think the welfare state has done more to harm the poor than help. I think unions are corrupt and have gone far beyond their mandate. I disagree with most of the traditional Democratic platform. That’s the Democrat of the past. And I don’t hate him or think he’s “the enemy”.

What’s happening to the new Democrats is truly remarkable. They’re Marxists. Not all Democrats are Marxists. But there is a growing Marxists caucus in the party that is unmistakable and dangerous.

I guess we could band together in our own team, and think that all Democrats are the enemy. Enough of the act like enemies. Maybe we can take the figurative version of the Liam Neeson approach. But when we band together in this team, what are the rules? You gonna scold oeople for not being sufficiently supportive of Trump? The problem with the fringe right is that it’s just a miror image of the fringe left. Just as identitarian, just as collectivist, just as prejudicial, just as ruthless.

I think the way we defeat the real enemy is to think of the enemy as not just a group we can attach pejorative lables to. Rather its plural. The “enemy” a collection of harmful ideas, and attack the ideas. If we look at it as attacking the dangerous ideas, issue by issue, then everyone who opposes the idea can work against it. Not as a homogeneous team. I’m not gonna join your team. Your team is a constituent of some of those harmful ideas.

Point is, I think on some of the core issues like the primacy of the individual over the group, freedom of speech, etcetera, there are many advocates who might belong to what you classify as the enemy. Like those moderate Democrats who dared to vote with Republicans and ran afoul of their Party. But no. Gotta be us vs them, which is retarded.

Funny to watch a grown man playing with a word over and over like a kid who has found his mom's battery operated boyfriend in her underwear drawer and is waving it around like a sword.

 

[jamil]

As is common with your posts my friend, TLDR.

I did catch the bottom line though. Seems as though a lot of us are "retarded" in your mind. I wonder if that's an appropriate choice of words?

Us vs the anti-gunners? Seems like a given to me.

Maybe give the rest a whirl then.

I didn’t call you retarded. I called the idea of “us vs them” retarded.