Indianapolis to pursue legal action against opioid manufacturers

[indyjohn]

I suppose Joe knows what he is doing. Money is no object (especially if you're not spending your own) to prove you are a true SJW. His supporters are known for saying "If it saves just one life it is worth it."
Should be a good resume filler for his run for governor.

I wouldn't suppose anything of the sort!

 

[indyjohn]

IMPD not enforcing drug laws: If, as the news report states, we have too many prescriptions for opioids in Indianapolis, then, many of those prescriptions must be written to supply addicts with recreational drugs and not written for a legitimate medical need. Those prescribers should be arrested and prosecuted.
Apparently, IMPD and the prosecutor are not doing this.
So, rather than go after the criminals misusing the product, they are going after the manufacturer of the product.

I thought this was a LE friendly forum. Did you (or I) not get the memo?

 

[hoosierdoc]

Have to wonder if big pharma will just pick up the phone, call the swamp and demand immunity.

do you not watch TV? Every other commercial is about a class action lawsuit against a drug manufacturer and trying to recruit patients.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

note the dollar amounts increasing as time goes on. If they had that pull why not use it before you pay $15 billion in settlements?

 

[Leadeye]

do you not watch TV? Every other commercial is about a class action lawsuit against a drug manufacturer and trying to recruit patients.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

note the dollar amounts increasing as time goes on. If they had that pull why not use it before you pay $15 billion in settlements?

Maybe big law has more pull than big pharma in the swamp.

I've seen those ads and wondered how much is based on real testing and how much is legal obfuscation. In my line of work I get asked about how dangerous chemicals are based on what people see on tv. I always ask, do you believe everything you see on tv? When they say no I say, then don't believe that.

 

[hoosierdoc]

People have clotting disorders and will either have a stroke, die of a blood clot to the lungs, or lose an extremity due to clot. So we put them on blood thinners. Some end up having a bleeding complication. Then the drug company gets sued

 

[Leadeye]

In your line of work you have to make a lot of tough calls and probably without all of the info you need make a decision. I work with complex systems, but nothing as complex as the human body.

 

[hoosierdoc]

We put someone on blood thinners because they get a heart stent. Then a lesion in their small intestine beyond whre you can get to with a scope and can't see on CT starts bleeding briskly. If you stop blood thinner huge risk of heart attack immediately, which will be treated with more blood thinners.?

recently someone came in with a large stroke and significant disability from it. We gave clot busters, he got almost back to normal and then bled into his brain and died. If we hadn't given the clot buster I could have been sued and would have lost. It's tough.

 

[Leadeye]

That's got to be hard, but you can only do the best you can with the info you have.

 

[phylodog]

IMPD not enforcing drug laws: If, as the news report states, we have too many prescriptions for opioids in Indianapolis, then, many of those prescriptions must be written to supply addicts with recreational drugs and not written for a legitimate medical need. Those prescribers should be arrested and prosecuted.
Apparently, IMPD and the prosecutor are not doing this.
So, rather than go after the criminals misusing the product, they are going after the manufacturer of the product.

Do you have a source for those laws? I'm curious how they read.

 

[Doug]

I guess I don't.
I just thought writing prescriptions for opioids to use as recreational drugs was illegal.
It isn't?

 

[hoosierdoc]

I guess I don't.
I just thought writing prescriptions for opioids to use as recreational drugs was illegal.
It isn't?

Sure but how do you prove it? Someone shows up with legitimate painful condition and gets a script. They sell a bunch of their pills. When asked for a drug screen they take a pill then go pee in a cup so it shows up.

how do you prove they are selling them? You can't


this is why new laws limit quantities and pharmacies will limit dispensing. Previous laws already restricted prescribing and set in place screening tests to prove compliance. This is usually blamed for the spike in heroin use since pills became more expensive and harder to get

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I guess I don't.
I just thought writing prescriptions for opioids to use as recreational drugs was illegal.
It isn't?

Lots of things that are regulated or illegal aren't in the scope of the local PD. And of course, if we were involved then the complaints would be we're invading people's privacy by knowing their prescriptions, etc.

 

[Doug]

Based on the last two responses, I guess I'm wrong.

 

[HoughMade]

People have clotting disorders and will either have a stroke, die of a blood clot to the lungs, or lose an extremity due to clot. So we put them on blood thinners. Some end up having a bleeding complication. Then the drug company gets sued

Huh...you don't say....

Oh, and sometimes the doc.

http://www.eichhorn-law.com/verdicts-appeals/el-shikh-v-physician

 

[hoosierdoc]

Huh...you don't say....

Oh, and sometimes the doc.

El-Shikh v. Physician | Eichhorn & Eichhorn, LLP

i'm just a dumb ER doc but my understanding is that Pradaxa is actually pro-coagulant in the first few days so you are supposed to bridge with lovenox or heparin. Was this a very easy defense? Did the panel support malpractice?

also, is your associate available to review something?

 

[HoughMade]

i'm just a dumb ER doc but my understanding is that Pradaxa is actually pro-coagulant in the first few days so you are supposed to bridge with lovenox or heparin. Was this a very easy defense? Did the panel support malpractice?

That was the thinking. In 2013, recommendations were changed to stop Lovenox at the time Pradaxa is started. However, this was 2011. There were also claims about how quickly the bleeding was discovered. We had an "issue of fact" opinion, but the panel believed that bridging was standard in 2011. It was difficult in some respects, not so much in others. The plaintiff's attorney is a good lawyer and good guy.

also, is your associate available to review something?

Further affiant sayeth NAUGHT.

 

[KMaC]

Sure but how do you prove it? Someone shows up with legitimate painful condition and gets a script. They sell a bunch of their pills. When asked for a drug screen they take a pill then go pee in a cup so it shows up.

how do you prove they are selling them? You can't


this is why new laws limit quantities and pharmacies will limit dispensing. Previous laws already restricted prescribing and set in place screening tests to prove compliance. This is usually blamed for the spike in heroin use since pills became more expensive and harder to get

Why doesn't screening test requirement include bringing your prescription in for an audit to show you still possess the proper quantity of the remainder of your prescription? Got 30 pills 10 days ago, take one a day, you should still have 20 pills when you show up for your audit/ pee test.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

Ok sure, maybe he was buying stuff off the street. Also possible he was huffing cooking spray. Gotta sue those manufacturers too just in case. My money is on this info being from the state controlled substance tracking website using pharmacy data.

You're probably right . Just pointing out it wouldn't be the first time a dude on pills , popped .

 

[Doug]

The next step will be to sue the oil companies for not stopping global warming by limiting the amount of gasoline they make.

 

[HoughMade]

The next step will be to sue the oil companies for not stopping global warming by limiting the amount of gasoline they make.

You think you're demonstrating absurdity by being absurd, don't you?

Oh, that this were absurd.