Is this just the beginning of rioting or will it subside?

[NKBJ]

You have to go back to work or else lose your civilization.
You have to stop the jacobins or else lose your civilization.
Looks pretty simple to me.

 

[BugI02]

I don't know about you, but I would be pretty pissed off if I got teargassed for going to the bank the day after somebody else robbed it.

Since you refuse to distinguish between different crowds on different dates, I'm done pounding my head against a wall.

See you all in some other thread.

I suppose you haven't read the 'after action report' posted elsewhere mentioning the strategy of using a front of 'peaceful protesters' as cover for the people throwing rocks and bottles

I literally can't distinguish between the crowds because the rioters and protesters appear to be one in the same. You label them peaceful without evidence, the best you should hope for is PATT (Peaceful At That Time)

Even here in Columbus, after two days of 'protesting' when the rioters torched a residential building under construction and attempted to set fire to the restored historic Ohio Theatre, the governor brought in the highway patrol and the national guard to back up the CPD and at 5:30 they suited up and cleared the square in downtown and imposed a curfew for the next week. The 'peaceful protesters' produced bats and pipes and bricks and fought a pitched battle with the police. There was no changing of the guard, no 'peaceful protesters' went home and were replaced by malcontents - they were the malcontents, and at the very least they expected what did happen might be a possibility or why did they have the bats and pipes and bricks

Same thing in Lafayette Square, the police had seen that show twice before and that was enough

But go ahead and cling to the idea that Lafayette Square was Kent State all over again. "It's not a lie if you believe it"

 

[BugI02]

https://crimethinc.com/2020/06/10/t...ecinct-in-minneapolis-an-account-and-analysis

Peaceful Protestors


The non-violent tactics of peaceful protesters served two familiar aims and one unusual one:


They created a spectacle of legitimacy, which was intensified as police violence escalated.


They created a front line that blocked police attempts to advance when they deployed outside of the Precinct.


In addition, in an unexpected turn of affairs, the peaceful protestors shielded those who employed projectiles.


Whenever the police threatened tear gas or rubber bullets, non-violent protesters lined up at the front with their hands up in the air, chanting “Hands up, don’t shoot!” Sometimes they kneeled, but typically only during relative lulls in the action. When the cops deployed outside the Precincts, their police lines frequently found themselves facing a line of “non-violent” protestors. This had the effect of temporarily stabilizing the space of conflict and gave other crowd members a stationary target.

 

[churchmouse]

I don't know about you, but I would be pretty pissed off if I got teargassed for going to the bank the day after somebody else robbed it.

Since you refuse to distinguish between different crowds on different dates, I'm done pounding my head against a wall.

See you all in some other thread.

Yeah you need to step out of this one.

 

[churchmouse]

I think I've identified the problem.

+10 but you do not show rep so there.....

 

[jamil]

I don't know about you, but I would be pretty pissed off if I got teargassed for going to the bank the day after somebody else robbed it.

Since you refuse to distinguish between different crowds on different dates, I'm done pounding my head against a wall.

See you all in some other thread.

Yeah. I get that. It may have been mayhem on one day, and then peaceful the next. And I get that it's not helping the image of police any to tear gas the crowd if they were peaceful. But I think the point made was that the crowd was peaceful until they weren't on the days there was mayhem. I'm guessing that if it was anything like what happened in Louisville, it was peaceful, then mayhem. And then because of the mayhem, there were curfews ordered by the mayor, which the police have to enforce. And here, they asked the crowd to disperse. They didn't. And then the police gave some incentives to disperse. Maybe those tactics don't endear the police to the public. It's just a bad situation all around, and I think the police are kinda in a bad place right now. They have a job to do. But doing their job just pisses the mob off more.

 

[jamil]

https://crimethinc.com/2020/06/10/t...ecinct-in-minneapolis-an-account-and-analysis

The only thing that's going to stop that is clearing the streets. People have a right to protest, but this isn't really a protest at that point.

 

[NKBJ]

Tom Luongo interviewed, speaking plainly that we are in a color revolution just like the US was used to bring to other countries in the past. Why those backing the revolution want the US military to become engaged. And, his expectations for what's next.

https://www.trunews.com/stream/coming-soon-new-constitution-new-dollar

 

[woowoo2]

Yeah. I get that. It may have been mayhem on one day, and then peaceful the next. And I get that it's not helping the image of police any to tear gas the crowd if they were peaceful. But I think the point made was that the crowd was peaceful until they weren't on the days there was mayhem. I'm guessing that if it was anything like what happened in Louisville, it was peaceful, then mayhem.

56 arrests two night ago, yesterday my employer wanted us down there to set up a camera overlooking the 'Park".
We got it done, and got out before dark, because things can change in a moments notice.

 

[jolly rancher]

I too saw the "after action report" posted on the crimethinc.com website. It was disturbing to say the least. What this anarchist was laying out was the strategy the overthrow the America we know an replace it with a socialist society. Many of the tactics the author was presenting was straight out of the 1960's SDS's play book. For those of you to young to remember the SDS were the far left campus socialists of the era and they taught the same type of tactics to the mob in 1968 that we are seeing now. Put a peaceful face on the protest up front for the camera while the fighters used the peaceful faces for cover. Also encouraging the spread of the violence to outside areas via arson and looting to the draw the police away from the front line and by all means keep the pressure up on the thin blue line. God help us and God help this county.

 

[NKBJ]

Sure hope He does.
Lots of prayer is needed.

 

[cobber]

I too saw the "after action report" posted on the crimethinc.com website. It was disturbing to say the least. What this anarchist was laying out was the strategy the overthrow the America we know an replace it with a socialist society. Many of the tactics the author was presenting was straight out of the 1960's SDS's play book. For those of you to young to remember the SDS were the far left campus socialists of the era and they taught the same type of tactics to the mob in 1968 that we are seeing now. Put a peaceful face on the protest up front for the camera while the fighters used the peaceful faces for cover. Also encouraging the spread of the violence to outside areas via arson and looting to the draw the police away from the front line and by all means keep the pressure up on the thin blue line. God help us and God help this county.

Yes, but the SDS now occupies, thanks to the voters, many of the city halls and statehouses, making the job that much easier. I don't think they're going to get their shiny socialist society at the end of the day, though.

 

[jamil]

Yes, but the SDS now occupies, thanks to the voters, many of the city halls and statehouses, making the job that much easier. I don't think they're going to get their shiny socialist society at the end of the day, though.

I wish I could be that confident. I would have assumed you were right before CHAZ was eagerly offered up by the mayor and probably with the governor’s blessing. It has to get turned around before a lot more people are indoctrinated. And we’re effectively losing free speech at the hands of social media companies because the public square has moved online. That’s where people are radicalized without hearing the voices of reason.

I just think we’re nearing a very dangerous time where it could be too late to save a mostly free society.

 

[churchmouse]

I wish I could be that confident. I would have assumed you were right before CHAZ was eagerly offered up by the mayor and probably with the governor’s blessing. It has to get turned around before a lot more people are indoctrinated. And we’re effectively losing free speech at the hands of social media companies because the public square has moved online. That’s where people are radicalized without hearing the voices of reason.

I just think we’re nearing a very dangerous time where it could be too late to save a mostly free society.

Too many have let the feeling of a false sense of security take away those freedoms one at a time over the course of their lives. A bit here....some more there....a chunk here...…..you already know.

 

[NKBJ]

A slice at a time until they have the whole bologna.

If anyone is interested C. A. Fitts has an awesome new interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pb5-qkMdFM

 

[Leadeye]

I asked both of my sons why people can't just shut off their phones instead of having social media drive their emotions and decisions. Both told me that it was easy for me to say as it was never a part of my life growing up. They both said they had many friends who shaped their entire lives and decision making around social media as it has been with them their entire lives. It seems to have an almost religious zealotry about it.

Hard for me to understand how something that you could so easily turn off, watching everything unpleasant about it vanish, could have such a hold on people.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Denny asked in another thread (basically) Where is the silent majority? Why aren’t they speaking out? We should have known compromise is the one thing the leftists never wanted. They never did. Attempting to placate those that wish to destroy you has never worked.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/20/conservative-cowards-are-to-blame-for-falling-statues/

 

[KMaC]

Denny asked in another thread (basically) Where is the silent majority? Why aren’t they speaking out? We should have known compromise is the one thing the leftists never wanted. They never did. Attempting to placate those that wish to destroy you has never worked.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/20/conservative-cowards-are-to-blame-for-falling-statues/

One of the current phrases of pop culture that bugs me is "starting the conversation". From everything I've seen on social media it means parrot what I say and don't dare disagree or you will be shouted down by the crowd.
I think that's why so many are silent. The one place you can speak your mind and not be ridiculed is at the ballot box.

 

[jamil]

Denny asked in another thread (basically) Where is the silent majority? Why aren’t they speaking out? We should have known compromise is the one thing the leftists never wanted. They never did. Attempting to placate those that wish to destroy you has never worked.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/20/conservative-cowards-are-to-blame-for-falling-statues/

"Friday night, a statue of Ulysses S. Grant was toppled. Also the statue of a Catholic saint. Do you know who is to blame? It is not the hordes of progressives with ropes and chains; it is every conservative who thought those Jacobin lunatics could be appeased by just tearing down certain statues. It is a metaphor for the fecklessness of an American right too cowed to stand up for itself."

This is the same argument anti-gun zealots use to say a shooting is the fault of gun owners and not the fault of the people who actually shot people. It's not a lot different from the "silence is violence" crap. The people who are at fault ARE THE PROGRESSIVES who did it. WTF happened to The Federalist? Somehow they've become bat **** crazy.

Oh. And I'm still waiting for evidence of a silent majority, at least not one that is all that interested in the world as its unfolding. Just people who live their lives, shake their heads at the news, crack open a beer, and tune out. Don't count on them for any help. They're not an "us".

 

[jamil]

One of the current phrases of pop culture that bugs me is "starting the conversation". From everything I've seen on social media it means parrot what I say and don't dare disagree or you will be shouted down by the crowd.
I think that's why so many are silent. The one place you can speak your mind and not be ridiculed is at the ballot box.

There is a contingent of conservatives who are silent. It's not likely going to sway an election. It's no where near a majority.