Just saw "The Last Jedi"

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That was my biggest problem with Ep. 7/TFA, the loss of canon. I mean, I read the book 25 years ago and it's Jacen/Jaina then baby Anakin - No Ben!

Ben was actually the name of Luke's son in the Legacy of the Force series... with Mara Jade (who was a bad ass in her own right, and much more interesting than Luke in many ways, which helped to expand who he was in some of the books).

Mara Jade:

 

[WebSnyper]

Agree. Still biting my tongue.

Heck, even the authorized, canon, inter-episodic novels really haven't filled in the plot arc from Episode VI to Episode VII satisfactorily.

I'd agree.

I've watched a lot of the Clone Wars, but I don't read any books, mainly because just anybody can write one and they all disagree to some extent. If you just shut off all the other crap people have piggy-backed onto the franchise over the years, and focus on the movies, it takes away that frustration. When you come into the movie with the bias of what someone else thinks the universe looks like during a particular time frame, you get confused and frustrated. If you act like the story is brand new, and this is the first telling, it really is more fun. And the plot doesn't have quite so many holes as you think, either, without trying to make it fit a comic book someone wrote 20 years ago.

Yeah, and I can get that, and throwing out a good bit of the expanded stuff, but there were a few series of books that went specifically into this period and did a really great job, but that's all been blown away and replaced with something much less developed. But yeah, pretty much forced to approach it all differently now.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I've watched a lot of the Clone Wars, but I don't read any books, mainly because just anybody can write one and they all disagree to some extent. If you just shut off all the other crap people have piggy-backed onto the franchise over the years, and focus on the movies, it takes away that frustration. When you come into the movie with the bias of what someone else thinks the universe looks like during a particular time frame, you get confused and frustrated. If you act like the story is brand new, and this is the first telling, it really is more fun. And the plot doesn't have quite so many holes as you think, either, without trying to make it fit a comic book someone wrote 20 years ago.

Not anymore. Disney strictly controls who writes them, and they are excellent. Read "Tarkin" that book is awesome.

 

[WebSnyper]

Not anymore. Disney strictly controls who writes them, and they are excellent. Read "Tarkin" that book is awesome.

Tarkin was a pretty good book. Down deep on the character development.

I just finished Phasma about a month ago. Kind of interesting in one way as it's a story within a story, but also kind of a gimmicky way to tell the story.

I'd really like to see them do a series of movies based on the Old Republic era, as well as some stuff on just the Mandolorians, etc. Alot of the best material that the expanded universe offered was well away from the trilogy time periods or focused on non Jedi characters, etc much like Rogue One did (side stories, etc). Though it was always a bit funny that the technology never really changed much over the course of thousands of years spanning between the Old Republic and the trilogy, etc.

 

[Alpo]

I've watched a lot of the Clone Wars, but I don't read any books, mainly because just anybody can write one and they all disagree to some extent. If you just shut off all the other crap people have piggy-backed onto the franchise over the years, and focus on the movies, it takes away that frustration. When you come into the movie with the bias of what someone else thinks the universe looks like during a particular time frame, you get confused and frustrated. If you act like the story is brand new, and this is the first telling, it really is more fun. And the plot doesn't have quite so many holes as you think, either, without trying to make it fit a comic book someone wrote 20 years ago.

Exactly. For example, is it better to know only what the movies have told us about the Sith and leave much to the imagination, or is it better to be a literalist created by books that don't have much to do with the films?

 

[Woobie]

Not anymore. Disney strictly controls who writes them, and they are excellent. Read "Tarkin" that book is awesome.

I didn't know that, thanks for the info. Back in the day it wasn't like that. I'm sure I will enjoy Tarkin.

 

[Ericpwp]

Spoiler alert..



I would have force sensitive children with Rey.

 

[jsx1043]

Spoiler alert..



I would have force sensitive children with Rey.

I’d be afraid she would tell me I was doing it wrong or barely allowing me touch her. Cute and all, but the angsty, “I dont need a man’s help” vibe turned me off in TFA. Now Jyn Erso, on the other hand....

 

[Indy-Mike]

We saw it yesterday at Flix Brewhouse and they showed the Saturday Night Skit of Kylo REN in Undercover Boss during the previews. It’s was great.

https://youtu.be/FaOSCASqLsE

 

[Colt1860]

Thanks, good to know, hope to see it next week with my kids. Hard to find a day when everyone can go.

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

Comments moved to other Star Wars thread.

A thousand pardons, offer I must!

 

[WebSnyper]

Spoiler Alert! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

There's another thread for spoiler discussion.

I just saw it this afternoon. Wasn't the best movie I've seen this year, wasn't the worst, seemed very Empire Strikes Back reminiscent.

 

[churchmouse]

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Daughter and I just returned from seeing the movie.

To borrow from the original Indiana Jones, "Why did it have to be Space Chickens?" Really?!?!?!?! Spaaaccceee Chhiikkeenss!!!!!! Babbling mother of Yoda, the writers need to be flung into a steaming pile of Ewok poo and beaten with light sabers. The whole casino, code breaker, free the racetrack beasts subplot was a waste. To kill off Admiral Ackbar with so little emotion was disrespectful to the stature of the character. Given the span of time, he should have been a Commodore by now. And Leia Poppins was another stupid bit of whimsical farce that did not add to the story. Po is a douch-nozzle and Leia's character needs to really die already, (just like is real life).

I did like the ending with the transformation of Luke's character into being truly One with the Force. I also enjoyed the parts played by Rey, Rose, Finn and Ren. Overall rating of 6 out of 10.

I am in total agreement with having the Rouge One Writer/Director take over.

 

[chipbennett]

I've watched a lot of the Clone Wars, but I don't read any books, mainly because just anybody can write one and they all disagree to some extent. If you just shut off all the other crap people have piggy-backed onto the franchise over the years, and focus on the movies, it takes away that frustration. When you come into the movie with the bias of what someone else thinks the universe looks like during a particular time frame, you get confused and frustrated. If you act like the story is brand new, and this is the first telling, it really is more fun. And the plot doesn't have quite so many holes as you think, either, without trying to make it fit a comic book someone wrote 20 years ago.

Actually, no: that isn't true. All of the EU novels were canon, and the continuity issues over 20-30 years of such novels were remarkably few.

As a life-long fan of the movies and the EU, I was upset when Disney declared all prior EU non-canon in one fell swoop - because I had a quarter decade of investment in the EU story. The move also alienated some of the best novel authors, and we were faced with the prospect of losing the talents of amazing authors such as Timothy Zahn, James Lucedo, and AC Crispin (RIP), in favor of the inferior writing of the likes of Chuck Wendig.

Ultimately, though, the franchise is now Disney's, and I really don't care if they choose to tell a different story. But that doesn't mean that I don't expect them to write a GOOD story.

EpIV started media res, which was fine. But essentially doing the same thing for EpVII is just lazy. So far, Disney has chosen to take classic characters to some arbitrary point in character development (with the apparent end-game of removing them from the franchise), with no (or at least, no plausible) explanation for how they got where they are.

Don't leave us in the dark; tell us the story. If not in the movies, then in the EU. We'll buy it (we've been doing so for decades).

 

[chipbennett]

Not anymore. Disney strictly controls who writes them, and they are excellent. Read "Tarkin" that book is awesome.

Loved Tarkin.

 

[Alpo]

I’d be afraid she would tell me I was doing it wrong or barely allowing me touch her. Cute and all, but the angsty, “I dont need a man’s help” vibe turned me off in TFA. Now Jyn Erso, on the other hand....

I've always liked women with a bit of an overbite.

 

[WebSnyper]

Actually, no: that isn't true. All of the EU novels were canon, and the continuity issues over 20-30 years of such novels were remarkably few.

As a life-long fan of the movies and the EU, I was upset when Disney declared all prior EU non-canon in one fell swoop - because I had a quarter decade of investment in the EU story. The move also alienated some of the best novel authors, and we were faced with the prospect of losing the talents of amazing authors such as Timothy Zahn, James Lucedo, and AC Crispin (RIP), in favor of the inferior writing of the likes of Chuck Wendig.

Ultimately, though, the franchise is now Disney's, and I really don't care if they choose to tell a different story. But that doesn't mean that I don't expect them to write a GOOD story.

EpIV started media res, which was fine. But essentially doing the same thing for EpVII is just lazy. So far, Disney has chosen to take classic characters to some arbitrary point in character development (with the apparent end-game of removing them from the franchise), with no (or at least, no plausible) explanation for how they got where they are.

Don't leave us in the dark; tell us the story. If not in the movies, then in the EU. We'll buy it (we've been doing so for decades).

I really liked Karen Traviss' stuff as well, since she tended to tell stories of characters other than the Jedi. And agreed, I'd be fine with them developing a different story line based in the Star Wars universe... I actually think it would be better than rehashing the trilogy pieces.