Let's talk 3-gun/multi-gun

[slow1911s]

This is me straining to not post a snarky remark involving Vagisil.

Whew! The temptation has curiously passed.

Speaking of Vagisil...exactly why are you traveling twice as far for a Pistol only match when you could shoot 3-gun in Atlanta? Hmmmm???

 

[obijohn]

I'm out because of a bum shoulder. I'm might ride shotgun with Joe down to South Central and keep him out of trouble.

i truly wish you luck with that, dave.

 

[slow1911s]

i truly wish you luck with that, dave.

Luck with what? The shoulder or riding with the the little brother?

 

[slow1911s]

3/multi-gun rig example

Here is an example of a 3/multi-gun equipment layout. YMMV

1. Shotgun - this is a Benelli M1S90 for those keeping score
2. Side saddle - This is an 8rd model from 3gungear.com. There is another on the opposite side in a 2 down/2 side (aka 2x2) configuration
3. AR
4. Shotshell caddy/stripper. I generally have three of these on. I do most of my reloading during a COF. Many others do it from the gun (2) or from things like arm saddles, etc.
5. Pistol magazine holders - generally no less than 2
6. AR magazine pouch - this is also made by 3 GunGear Competition and Tactical Gear I also have one plastic Safariland holder that I will use.
7. Holster - this is my "race" holster (Safariland 012). I also have and will use a Kytac Super Hooper and a Safariland 6004 thigh holster in multi-gun
8. Pistol
9. Stiff belt - Safariland seen here (do you detect a theme?)
10. 10 - shotgun magazine extension tube. This is actually a factory installed extension tube. The best aftermarket ones going right now, IMO, are made by Nordic Components, especially for Winchester SX2/FN/Browning Gold and for Benelli
11. Scope - If you shoot Tactical or Open class, these are allowed. This is a Aimpoint ML2 on a LaRue detachable mount. I'll also use a Trijicon ACOG TA11 or a Pentax 1.5-5x. It all depends on the match, range and targets.

 

[slow1911s]

That is correct. The logistics and scoring of a 3-gun tournament are simple compared to what is involved in multi-gun. The latter takes more time and effort in planning, preparation, and during the match itself. Scoring is more complicated as well. When ACC lost their scoring guru (quite a while ago), they switched back to 3-gun tournament as their standard format.

While you, Mr. Guru, are normally spot-on with your intel, you are, I'm sorry to inform the masses that this time you are a bit...eh...WRONG.
From co-match director John Alley at ACC (hot off of the e-mail presses, I might add)

Atlanta Conservation Club will be hosting a MULTI-GUN match this coming Sunday 11/1/08. The round count is as follows:

Multigun Stage: 24 rounds
Multigun Stage: 24 rounds
Pistol Stage: 20 rounds
Rifle Stage: 32 rounds
Pistol Stage: 24 rounds

It is my understanding that the multigun stages CAN be shooters choice as to what firearm to use. Because of that a round count for a certaqin firearm is not available.

Bring plenty of pistol, rifle, birdshot and slugs

I can't confirm the italic printed portion. Normally the stage requires certain targets to only be engaged with specified guns, otherwise it is a procedural penalty per shot or per target.

 

[obijohn]

Luck with what? The shoulder or riding with the the little brother?

uuummmm, yes?

 

[obijohn]

well done, dave. this is a very good example of a "tactical" setup. take the glass off of the ar and it would work well for limited. add a red dot and a comp to the shotgun, sky's the limit on sighting for the rifle, and add a comp and red dot to the pistol and you are ready for open.

Here is an example of a 3/multi-gun equipment layout. YMMV

1. Shotgun - this is a Benelli M1S90 for those keeping score
2. Side saddle - This is an 8rd model from 3gungear.com. There is another on the opposite side in a 2 down/2 side (aka 2x2) configuration
3. AR
4. Shotshell caddy/stripper. I generally have three of these on. I do most of my reloading during a COF. Many others do it from the gun (2) or from things like arm saddles, etc.
5. Pistol magazine holders - generally no less than 2
6. AR magazine pouch - this is also made by 3 GunGear Competition and Tactical Gear I also have one plastic Safariland holder that I will use.
7. Holster - this is my "race" holster (Safariland 012). I also have and will use a Kytac Super Hooper and a Safariland 6004 thigh holster in multi-gun
8. Pistol
9. Stiff belt - Safariland seen here (do you detect a theme?)
10. 10 - shotgun magazine extension tube. This is actually a factory installed extension tube. The best aftermarket ones going right now, IMO, are made by Nordic Components, especially for Winchester SX2/FN/Browning Gold and for Benelli
11. Scope - If you shoot Tactical or Open class, these are allowed. This is a Aimpoint ML2 on a LaRue detachable mount. I'll also use a Trijicon ACOG TA11 or a Pentax 1.5-5x. It all depends on the match, range and targets.

 

[rhino]

Speaking of Vagisil...exactly why are you traveling twice as far for a Pistol only match when you could shoot 3-gun in Atlanta? Hmmmm???

You know exactly why.

 

[rhino]

While you, Mr. Guru, are normally spot-on with your intel, you are, I'm sorry to inform the masses that this time you are a bit...eh...WRONG.
From co-match director John Alley at ACC (hot off of the e-mail presses, I might add)

I can't confirm the italic printed portion. Normally the stage requires certain targets to only be engaged with specified guns, otherwise it is a procedural penalty per shot or per target.

I stand corrected. This is a new or recent development, as there was much e-mail about this back when the decision to go with 3-gun tournaments only was made.

Good for them.

 

[slow1911s]

You know exactly why.

Ahhh yes. Anyway, here ya go:

Use only as recommended.

 

[rhino]

Fortunately you have a lifetime supply in case I need to borrow some. But that's what wifes are for, right?

 

[BillD]

I can see this thread went downhill fast. Figures, with you two...

Nice to finally be here.

Course, at my age, it's nice to be anywhere

 

[slow1911s]

Fortunately you have a lifetime supply in case I need to borrow some. But that's what wifes are for, right?

Uh, no. You're the one always at the ready to hand it out, so you must be in supply.

Anyway, can we get back on topic? Sheesh, one little comment about my documented condition and here we are. At least I have x-rays

 

[slow1911s]

I can see this thread went downhill fast. Figures, with you two...

Nice to finally be here.

Course, at my age, it's nice to be anywhere

I wondered when I might see you around here. Welcome!!!

 

[BillD]

Where Rhino goeth, I shall truly follow.....even to USPSA


Thanks

 

[Soundslikejosh]

What type of targets are engaged with rifles? Any steel? I am wondering if there is a fundamental reason that small bore is not used. I understand rules may say "no", but that doesn't mean there is a logistical problem with it. If rifle shots are simply into paper targets, why not go rimfire. It'd open it up to a lot of people. Glock 19, 870, and a 10/22. If you know someone who only owns 3 different guns, odds are pretty good that its those 3. We could have the old timers division- 1911, Ithaca model 37, and a winchester bolt action. Any takers?

 

[bwframe]

We could have the old timers division- 1911, Ithaca model 37, and a winchester bolt action. Any takers?

What'er you sayin' here mister?

 

[Soundslikejosh]

You prefer percussion cap?

 

[bwframe]

You prefer percussion cap?

Space age high tech for me! 209 primer fires the Encore.

 

[slow1911s]

USPSA has power factor requirements, which is what dictates centerfire rifle and 20ga min for shotgun. I believe it is 155 for minor rifle. PF = bullet weight (gr) x velocity (fps) /1000.

I personally think that shooting with a 22 rimfire is a great thing. At worst you may have to shoot for no score, which isn't a big deal. Or, if there was enough interest, you might sweet talk that stats man/lady into a special 22LR division.

Now, before we get carried away, you have to get the thumbs up from the hard working folks who put up these matches, which is no easy task I assure you.