Mayor Hogsett, IMPD, Use of Force Policy Changes (Implicit Bias Training)

[Hoosierkav]

"implicit bias" training = 8.5 hours of sitting in a classroom being told how we're closet racists and how we need to go about fixing that for the good of the department. What a way to motivate a bunch of cops. What could go wrong?

Or, have the officers watch a few vides on Youtube (top result is a TED talk, lasting 16 minutes; the next is a drawing-type video which is 3 minutes long), understand a bit about cognitive biases, without the agenda, and get out on the street in good time and be better for the learning.

Good gravy.

 

[bwframe]

Are we now headed for an "Indy Effect?"

 

[Route 45]

You really believe that? It's one thing to be pro-police, but quite another to believe that we are above reproach in all instances, with the onus always falling on someone else. That's what your statement conveys.

Who's "we?"

You ain't the police no more.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Land your statement conveys that all police are racist and shoot black people for being black. Do you really think it's always so black and white?(pun intended)

That's what it says 'eh? Put your race card deck back in your pocket, and read the thread over again, and try again to figure out what's being said.

 

[Kutnupe14]

There are intentional police shootings, accidental/unintentional police shootings and murder/attempted murder. I'm pretty certain VUPD was referring to the intentional shootings and I agree with him. That doesn't say that all intentional shootings are reasonable or justified but it's a far cry from accusations that an intentional shooting had anything to do with the color of either party's skin.

Then I'd like to ask you about the officer that was shot in St Louis. What action on the part of the off-duty officer that was shot (if you're familiar with it) motivated the officer I shoot him? I doubt one could say the shooting was unintentional.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'm speaking of my dept and my co-workers, and yes, I believe that.

Fair enough, but your previous statement is well more encompassing.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Who's "we?"

You ain't the police no more.

Actually. I think I do need to address this, because despite me not mentioning it publicly on this forum, you have brought this up several times over the past few months. I know you came by my status based on someone we both know, outside of this forum, and I'm flattered I take up so much room in your head that you need to generate a dossier me. Anyways, I had an unfortunate accident during a training that required me to undergo surgery. I don't and may never again have complete use of my arm. Because of this injury, I was yes, forced, to retire with a disability. So despite not being with the department anymore, I still have a strong connection to my department. I feel I am more than entitled to continue my use of "we."

 

[rob63]

Actually. I think I do need to address this, because despite me not mentioning it publicly on this forum, you have brought this up several times over the past few months. I know you came by my status based on someone we both know, outside of this forum, and I'm flattered I take up so much room in your head that you need to generate a dossier me. Anyways, I had an unfortunate accident during a training that required me to undergo surgery. I don't and may never again have complete use of my arm. Because of this injury, I was yes, forced, to retire with a disability. So despite not being with the department anymore, I still have a strong connection to my department. I feel I am more than entitled to continue my use of "we."

I don't often agree with what you say Kut, but I truly am sorry to hear about this. Prayers.

 

[T.Lex]

Maybe MCSD should invest in Implicit Bias Training for the criminals in jail.

Three men killed in shooting at northside apartment complex - Local News - 13 WTHR Indianapolis

 

[phylodog]

Then I'd like to ask you about the officer that was shot in St Louis. What action on the part of the off-duty officer that was shot (if you're familiar with it) motivated the officer I shoot him? I doubt one could say the shooting was unintentional.

I'm not familiar with that situation, I'd be happy to take a look and give you my opinion.

 

[actaeon277]

Dirty Harry hates EVERYONE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnRkCemeV7k

 

[Expat]

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Who's "we?"

You ain't the police no more.

Which department do you work for again? As long as Kut retired or resigned under "honorable" circumstances, kind of like those leaving the military, he can say "we." He leaves after an arrest/conviction or a sustained internal investigation that results in termination, he doesn't get to do that.

Actually. I think I do need to address this, because despite me not mentioning it publicly on this forum, you have brought this up several times over the past few months. I know you came by my status based on someone we both know, outside of this forum, and I'm flattered I take up so much room in your head that you need to generate a dossier me. Anyways, I had an unfortunate accident during a training that required me to undergo surgery. I don't and may never again have complete use of my arm. Because of this injury, I was yes, forced, to retire with a disability. So despite not being with the department anymore, I still have a strong connection to my department. I feel I am more than entitled to continue my use of "we."

Sorry to hear about your injury. Thanks for your service.

 

[T.Lex]

Which department do you work for again? As long as Kut retired or resigned under "honorable" circumstances, kind of like those leaving the military, he can say "we." He leaves after an arrest/conviction or a sustained internal investigation that results in termination, he doesn't get to do that.

Just to confirm - and he doesn't need me to vouch for him - I know the circumstances and they are as he described. Well, he's minimizing certain aspects, but it was certainly medical - whether he wanted to accept it or not. There were absolutely no tarnishing aspects to it.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Just to confirm - and he doesn't need me to vouch for him - I know the circumstances and they are as he described. Well, he's minimizing certain aspects, but it was certainly medical - whether he wanted to accept it or not. There were absolutely no tarnishing aspects to it.

I trust Kut's word. I don't always agree with him, but I have no reason not to trust him.

 

[thunderchicken]

Do I understand correctly that in addition to this fabulous new training, any special report generated as a result of use of force will be reviewed by a panel of civilians? The they will either clear the actions or submit to IA for further review?

 

[Expat]

Do I understand correctly that in addition to this fabulous new training, any special report generated as a result of use of force will be reviewed by a panel of civilians? The they will either clear the actions or submit to IA for further review?

I am sure the civilian panel won't have any special interest groups represented or other political hacks on it.

 

[phylodog]

Do I understand correctly that in addition to this fabulous new training, any special report generated as a result of use of force will be reviewed by a panel of civilians? The they will either clear the actions or submit to IA for further review?

Probably something along those lines. Six months later everyone will act surprised when arrests are down, crime is up and morale is in the toilet. Been here before and IMPD will be there again.

We need special training so we aren't prone to judging entire groups by the actions of individuals. If irony held monetary value the entire department could retire.

 

[Route 45]

Actually. I think I do need to address this, because despite me not mentioning it publicly on this forum, you have brought this up several times over the past few months. I know you came by my status based on someone we both know, outside of this forum, and I'm flattered I take up so much room in your head that you need to generate a dossier me. Anyways, I had an unfortunate accident during a training that required me to undergo surgery. I don't and may never again have complete use of my arm. Because of this injury, I was yes, forced, to retire with a disability. So despite not being with the department anymore, I still have a strong connection to my department. I feel I am more than entitled to continue my use of "we."

Entitled. Yup. I already knew that.

No dossier, I assure you. You don't take up nearly the room in my head as you do in your own mirror. I'm not the one who feels the need to post from Europe.
"We" means something in the context that it was used by you. It is misleading. I am both a veteran and former LE, but you don't see me mentioning it every other post on this forum.

I trust Kut's word. I don't always agree with him, but I have no reason not to trust him.

I don't trust anyone who misrepresents themselves. Especially for something so trivial as being "right" on an internet forum.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Entitled. Yup. I already knew that.

No dossier, I assure you. You don't take up nearly the room in my head as you do in your own mirror. I'm not the one who feels the need to post from Europe.
"We" means something in the context that it was used by you. It is misleading. I am both a veteran and former LE, but you don't see me mentioning it every other post on this forum.



I don't trust anyone who misrepresents themselves. Especially for something so trivial as being "right" on an internet forum.

Boy, I take up a LOT of space. And man, do I mention my affiliation in "every other post on this forum?" I also didn't know that my membership privileges were suspended when I'm out of the country. That's news to me. As for the mirror, I'm still a pretty man. I gotta have my mirrors. I do appreciate the fact that you stalk and harass me though. It just means I have your attention.