New Jersey: Possession of ‘High Capacity’ Magazines a Fourth Degree Felony Start

[Kirk Freeman]

The entire weight of the United States military has had 18 years to disarm 17,000 illiterate fanatics living in Afghanistan, a nation the size of one U.S. state which possesses the per capita of 1/24th of Tippecanoe County. They failed in a spectacular fashion.

.gov will fail to disarm the wealthy, educated, mobile people of the United States of America.

 

[cbhausen]

The entire weight of the United States military has had 18 years to disarm 17,000 illiterate fanatics living in Afghanistan, a nation the size of one U.S. state which possesses the per capita of 1/24th of Tippecanoe County. They failed in a spectacular fashion.

.gov will fail to disarm the wealthy, educated, mobile people of the United States of America.

Yep, this right here.

 

[MCgrease08]

The entire weight of the United States military has had 18 years to disarm 17,000 illiterate fanatics living in Afghanistan, a nation the size of one U.S. state which possesses the per capita of 1/24th of Tippecanoe County. They failed in a spectacular fashion.

.gov will fail to disarm the wealthy, educated, mobile people of the United States of America.

Yep, this right here.

And the Soviets spent a decade plus trying to do it before that.

 

[2A_Tom]

Hey mister tally man, tally my banana...

Too small and shriveled up.

 

[2A_Tom]

Sweet Jesus... felony for a mag? Talk about punishment not fitting the crime and laws punishing the good guys... Better not put HPs in that oversize mag or you're the mass-child-murdering anti-christ himself.

I now have the contrarian urge to order a 100rnd drum...

Side note, what do they have to say about belt-fed?

Only 9 links per belt.

 

[IndyDave1776]

One wonders how manufacturing a new class of felons is going to work out. A conviction isn't much of a problem for a real criminal, but for a demonized gun owner, a good job and normal life are gone forever. Is it much of a stretch to suppose such a person might decide that if he is going to be a felon, he might as well go all in and take out some of the other team on the way down?

 

[2A_Tom]

One wonders how manufacturing a new class of felons is going to work out. A conviction isn't much of a problem for a real criminal, but for a demonized gun owner, a good job and normal life are gone forever. Is it much of a stretch to suppose such a person might decide that if he is going to be a felon, he might as well go all in and take out some of the other team on the way down?

That is scary. Could be.
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[IndyDave1776]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to blue falcon again.

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[Mark 1911]

How did New Jersey ever deviate so far from the American way? Good grief. What a disaster.

 

[indykid]

One wonders how manufacturing a new class of felons is going to work out. A conviction isn't much of a problem for a real criminal, but for a demonized gun owner, a good job and normal life are gone forever. Is it much of a stretch to suppose such a person might decide that if he is going to be a felon, he might as well go all in and take out some of the other team on the way down?

Funny and scary that I was thinking the same thing. What if one group of uniformed civilians decided to follow the law to the letter, and knowing someone owned those baby killing mags, decided to make a show by taking him/her down, and that person decide that since they were going to be a felon, might as well BE A FELON in a big way. I know how the media would spin it, but could it cause others to come to the defense and all 1700s Massachusetts take place?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Funny and scary that I was thinking the same thing. What if one group of uniformed civilians decided to follow the law to the letter, and knowing someone owned those baby killing mags, decided to make a show by taking him/her down, and that person decide that since they were going to be a felon, might as well BE A FELON in a big way. I know how the media would spin it, but could it cause others to come to the defense and all 1700s Massachusetts take place?

Another thing I doubt they have considered is that probably their biggest threat will be older people who are past the point of considering life in prison a credible threat.

 

[actaeon277]

Four month follow-up:
FOIA Request Confirms Zero Standard Capacity Magazines Turned In to NJ State Police

This has got to be at least the fourth state that instituted magazine limitations that were widely ignored.

Of course.
And of course, the general media will not put this out there, showing how powerless they really are.. that the emperor is in fact, "naked".

 

[actaeon277]

The entire weight of the United States military has had 18 years to disarm 17,000 illiterate fanatics living in Afghanistan, a nation the size of one U.S. state which possesses the per capita of 1/24th of Tippecanoe County. They failed in a spectacular fashion.

.gov will fail to disarm the wealthy, educated, mobile people of the United States of America.

Well, as long as those people are not complicit.
The amount of people willing to give up their rights, or report on their neighbors, seems to be growing everyday.
And hearing what is being taught in schools, I worry.

 

[actaeon277]

Funny and scary that I was thinking the same thing. What if one group of uniformed civilians decided to follow the law to the letter, and knowing someone owned those baby killing mags, decided to make a show by taking him/her down, and that person decide that since they were going to be a felon, might as well BE A FELON in a big way. I know how the media would spin it, but could it cause others to come to the defense and all 1700s Massachusetts take place?

I remember reading somewhere (maybe INGO) where someone made the argument, if you're going to be a felon for something silly, then might as well have machine guns.

 

[cce1302]

The entire weight of the United States military has had 18 years to disarm 17,000 illiterate fanatics living in Afghanistan, a nation the size of one U.S. state which possesses the per capita of 1/24th of Tippecanoe County. They failed in a spectacular fashion.

.gov will fail to disarm the wealthy, educated, mobile people of the United States of America.

That wasn't the goal, nor the force committed in afghanistan. But point taken: that's not the goal nor the force committed regarding gun control either.

 

[AmmoManAaron]

I remember reading somewhere (maybe INGO) where someone made the argument, if you're going to be a felon for something silly, then might as well have machine guns.

I don't remember reading it, but it certainly does make sense. It was probably in relation to bumpstocks. A bumpstock is pretty obvious when viewed externally. An internal modification that creates a genuine machinegun is much less obvious to the casual observer.

 

[2A_Tom]

I hope I don't follow. If my inference is correct, please be careful and delete or modify post. (not quoted on purpose) If my inference is incorrect, please disregard.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I hope I don't follow. If my inference is correct, please be careful and delete or modify post. (not quoted on purpose) If my inference is incorrect, please disregard.

My posts are among those you may be inferring. As for myself, I am simply addressing the plain truth that people who are banished from respectable society, decent employment, and so forth have little disincentive for going all in and most likely being significantly more dangerous than your run of the mill hoodlum.

 

[2A_Tom]

No, I understand what you have said. The post directly ahead of mine could be a bit too far. I may be wrong.

 

[actaeon277]

Why?
He's merely stating that if people are going to be felons for something silly, they might as well be real felons.