No sign but asked to take gun to car

[chipbennett]

So your Rights surpass those of Personal Property Rights?

Insert Laughing Monkey Gif Here....

The way some people view Personal Property Rights as some sort of supra-right, one wonders how it is effectively any different from slavery. No, personal property rights do not give the property owner the right, authority, or power to disarm someone on their property.

Personal property rights mean nothing more than that the property owner can allow or disallow a person to be present on the property in question. Personal property rights do not extend to any other acts of overriding the liberties and agency of someone allowed to be present on the property (including allowing/prohibiting the exercise of the natural right of self-defense by carrying a firearm).

A property owner cannot make you disarm. A property owner can only trespass you for refusing to do so.

 

[cg21]

All I am saying is if they are taking away my ability to defend myself they should be held accountable for my safety.

if they can sue gun manufacturers when their gun is used in a shooting I believe if your or a loved one are harmed in a place you have been disarmed there should be repercussions. I don’t see why it doesn’t go both ways.

 

[chipbennett]

All I am saying is if they are taking away my ability to defend myself they should be held accountable for my safety.

if they can sue gun manufacturers when their gun is used in a shooting I believe if your or a loved one are harmed in a place you have been disarmed there should be repercussions. I don’t see why it doesn’t go both ways.

Anyone can sue anyone else, for pretty much anything.

FWIW, I agree with you. If you are actually harmed as a result of a no-guns policy of an establishment, you have grounds to sue for damages. So, if you're at Chuck-E-Cheese, are asked to return your gun to your car, you comply, and then are robbed, physically assaulted, etc. by an armed robber, then you absolutely have grounds to sue.

 

[Roadman]

Ankle holster works for me.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

The way some people view Personal Property Rights as some sort of supra-right, one wonders how it is effectively any different from slavery. No, personal property rights do not give the property owner the right, authority, or power to disarm someone on their property.

Personal property rights mean nothing more than that the property owner can allow or disallow a person to be present on the property in question. Personal property rights do not extend to any other acts of overriding the liberties and agency of someone allowed to be present on the property (including allowing/prohibiting the exercise of the natural right of self-defense by carrying a firearm).

A property owner cannot make you disarm. A property owner can only trespass you for refusing to do so.

A propery owner certainly can make you disarm if one is told to disarm or leave the property. If one wants to stay on said property one disarms. If one chooses not to disarm one can be escorted off said property or taken to jail if already tresspassed on said property.

 

[chipbennett]

A propery owner certainly can make you disarm if one is told to disarm or leave the property. If one wants to stay on said property one disarms. If one chooses not to disarm one can be escorted off said property or taken to jail if already tresspassed on said property.

You're saying exactly the same thing I am. A property owner cannot compel you to disarm. The only recourse a property owner has is to trespass you.

 

[RoGrrr]

I was at a Waffle House a few years back and the manager approached me and suggested next time I return to not have my gun with me, or at least conceal it. I told him that there is NOT a 30.06 sign on the door so I carry. He explained that the sign, which also forbids loitering and skateboarding is about 10 feet above the ground and 25 feet to the left of the door. He went on to tell me that he's a gun owner and appreciates those who carry but it's 'his job to notify'.

 

[RoGrrr]

Now that the topic is signs, my wife sees a specialist in Lafayette, the builiding is all Dr offices,<SNIP>

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]My (country) DR has a 30.06 sign on his clinic door (he owns the property). I ax about it and he explained that he grew up in the country and knows how to use guns. He also taught his children about guns, too. He said he has no problem with armed patients but the ins company told him that if he wants to be PAID BY THEM, he will put up the sign.
Another business, truck parts and repair, also has the 30.06 sign. They explained that the ins company told the owner that if he puts up the sign the premium would go down, saving him about $10,000 a year. He put the sign up, but told all his employees that he WANTS them to be armed while the business is open.
Needless to say, I get along VERY well with that business.[/FONT]

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I was at a Waffle House a few years back and the manager approached me and suggested next time I return to not have my gun with me, or at least conceal it. I told him that there is NOT a 30.06 sign on the door so I carry. He explained that the sign, which also forbids loitering and skateboarding is about 10 feet above the ground and 25 feet to the left of the door. He went on to tell me that he's a gun owner and appreciates those who carry but it's 'his job to notify'.

Well, in all fairness, carrying a 30-06 does seem a bit excessive. But carrying a Garand would be pretty cool.