We don't want to bring in reality to this fantasy.How does MAD figure into this? It is automated as was said earlier…
We don't want to bring in reality to this fantasy.How does MAD figure into this? It is automated as was said earlier…
The worrying is the part being addressed here. You cannot stop a nuclear attack, can you? So the statement that "there is nothing you can do about the attack" stands. It has nothing to do with preps. It has everything to do with an inability to do anything about the attack. So yeah, I will agree you are a bit dense. No argument from me there.In your first post:
"Worrying about a situation such as this is like worrying that a meteorite will land on your head. Can it happen? Yep. Is there a **** thing you can do about it? Nope."
What I asked if you had said:
"that it's worthless to plan for a nuclear attack because you can't do anything about it."
I might be dense, but I don't see the difference between these two...
Well, I appreciate your patience with my lack of comprehension, but I think I finally understand what you meant, if the following is correct?The worrying is the part being addressed here. You cannot stop a nuclear attack, can you? So the statement that "there is nothing you can do about the attack" stands. It has nothing to do with preps. It has everything to do with an inability to do anything about the attack. So yeah, I will agree you are a bit dense. No argument from me there.
It's a bit of a moot point but sure. Prep all you want. We'll have 20-40 minutes to enjoy what we had. Once the missiles start flying its over. You can dream in fantasy all you want but if you're like us and within 15 miles of a blast point there's not much you can do outside of a full on Fallout Vault full of food, power supply, water purification etc.Well, I appreciate your patience with my lack of comprehension, but I think I finally understand what you meant, if the following is correct?
You were saying that it is pointless to worry about the nuclear attack itself, since we can't do anything to prevent it. You weren't saying that it's pointless to prepare for the aftermath of a nuclear attack with the hope of being better prepared and increasing one's odds of survival (which is how I originally took it.)
Please go back and read my comments. I never said anything about being ridiculous. No one is ridiculing you here.
Don't think you're the only person that preps. Most of the people in this conversation do and some to greater extent than you.
Once it begins, it becomes automated.
Worrying about a situation such as this is like worrying that a meteorite will land on your head. Can it happen? Yep. Is there a damn thing you can do about it? Nope.
Please read this response:You are sending me some really mixed signals here. You tell me that it's not worth making a plan of action for a nuclear situation, yet throw out a belittling insult to say that other people (presumably referring to yourself) are prepping harder than me. And then you claim this not to be ridiculing me. This is called gaslighting.
You also pretend to know exactly how a nuclear war will play out, that it will be "automated" Armageddon with no decisions to be made by leaders on how to stop it. So, I guess if Putin uses a low yield, 10kt nuclear weapon on Kyiv, we will all die automatically.
I feel like you are just taking an opposing argument for the sake of arguing. This is unproductive. I think I got the information that I sought from this post, and will not continue trying to debate you. Good luck.
Again, I have never once said to not prep. There ARE people here that prep way harder than you are. Several with completely self sufficient "compounds" with water, food, power etc. How you think that is belittling I have no idea other than you need thicker skin. You assumption that I am one of them is far far off the mark. Not once have I ridiculed you, but I will now. Grow some thicker skin and get over yourself. It's not always about you all the time.The worrying is the part being addressed here. You cannot stop a nuclear attack, can you? So the statement that "there is nothing you can do about the attack" stands. It has nothing to do with preps. It has everything to do with an inability to do anything about the attack.
You started this thread with the statement you are worried we will have an exchange with Russia. Russia sending a single missile to Kyiv, has zero impact on the US.You are sending me some really mixed signals here. You tell me that it's not worth making a plan of action for a nuclear situation, yet throw out a belittling insult to say that other people (presumably referring to yourself) are prepping harder than me. And then you claim this not to be ridiculing me. This is called gaslighting.
You also pretend to know exactly how a nuclear war will play out, that it will be "automated" Armageddon with no decisions to be made by leaders on how to stop it. So, I guess if Putin uses a low yield, 10kt nuclear weapon on Kyiv, we will all die automatically.
I feel like you are just taking an opposing argument for the sake of arguing. This is unproductive. I think I got the information that I sought from this post, and will not continue trying to debate you. Good luck.
You started this thread with the statement you are worried we will have an exchange with Russia. Russia sending a single missile to Kyiv, has zero impact on the US.
Props for use of the word "assiduousness"Disagree. Strongly. The global economic impacts alone will severely impact the US. That's not as sexy a thing to prep for, but it's much more likely. (And both are extremely low probabilities, just more likely in comparison to an exchange with the US)
Nobody can prep for everything. Everyone has limited time and limited resources. You have to draw the line at something, but logically you should spend your resources on high probability/high risk/high reward situations first. If you want to prep for nuclear exchanges, meteor strikes, and alien invasions that's your business. Just ask if you've prepped for more likely life altering/ending events, say a massive bleed from a car crash, with the same assiduousness first.
Yes. Our country is currently being run by a group of morons who are continually escalating a conflict that is not a strategic interest of the United States. They have done absolutely nothing to diplomatically deescalate the situation, which Putin is fighting so vigorously for because in his eyes it's an existential crisis which matters to Russia's national security. In a matter of weeks, this could escalate to something nuclear.
I probably won't survive Armageddon and I'm not trying to. However, I could foresee a situation develop that involves an escalation that leads to a need to temporarily take shelter. Exactly what that would be I don't know. It could be that the DEFCON level is raised. It could be that a city or military installation somewhere else is bombed which sends a toxic cloud in my direction. I just want to know that I can find a basement that's secure and has a small amount of supplies to wait it out for 24-48 hours. Is that so unreasonable?
My response was directly in reference to a nuclear strike on Kyiv. The strike itself, wouldn't have any direct impact on the US. Nothing that preparation would benefit from.Disagree. Strongly. The global economic impacts alone will severely impact the US. That's not as sexy a thing to prep for, but it's much more likely. (And both are extremely low probabilities, just more likely in comparison to an exchange with the US)
Nobody can prep for everything. Everyone has limited time and limited resources. You have to draw the line at something, but logically you should spend your resources on high probability/high risk/high reward situations first. If you want to prep for nuclear exchanges, meteor strikes, and alien invasions that's your business. Just ask if you've prepped for more likely life altering/ending events, say a massive bleed from a car crash, with the same assiduousness first.
Prior to WWI, Germany's biggest trading partner was France. No one can predict with 100% accuracy what would happen once the first nuke goes off. Who thought that the murder of an obscure Archduke would result in millions of dead?US debt to China: Roughly $1 trillion
US trade definite with China: Roughly $300 billion
China's top export trade partner: US, taking roughly 17%-20% of their exports.
China's top import trade partner: South Korea, Japan, USA (so us and 2 traditional allies)
China has zero incentive to go to war with us, and even less to invite a nuclear exchange. That's the equivalent of forgiving all debt owed you, stabbing your best customer while he and a few close buddies point guns at you, and setting your available grocery stores on fire...all while wondering how you're going to pay your mortgage.
If the decision is purely economic, then this analysis is sound. But politicians always have a way of inserting themselves into economic decisions in illogical ways.US debt to China: Roughly $1 trillion
US trade definite with China: Roughly $300 billion
China's top export trade partner: US, taking roughly 17%-20% of their exports.
China's top import trade partner: South Korea, Japan, USA (so us and 2 traditional allies)
China has zero incentive to go to war with us, and even less to invite a nuclear exchange. That's the equivalent of forgiving all debt owed you, stabbing your best customer while he and a few close buddies point guns at you, and setting your available grocery stores on fire...all while wondering how you're going to pay your mortgage.
Prior to WWI, Germany's biggest trading partner was France. No one can predict with 100% accuracy what would happen once the first nuke goes off. Who thought that the murder of an obscure Archduke would result in millions of dead?
China's leadership may decide that the political advantages of a first strike outweigh the impact on their "house of cards" economy. We see that playing out with Russia's illogical choice to invade Ukraine.
May be helpful . . .
Free online book - Nuclear War Survival Skills
Free online book Nuclear War Survival Skills Updated and Expanded 1987 Edition &, Hebrew KF Nuclear War Survival Skills Updated and Expanded 1987 Edition Cresson H. Kearny With Foreword by Dr. Edward Tellerwww.oism.org
One of the few times we agree.My thought is any nukes are falling far, far from me.
But it's going to seriously hurt the economy and I'll be glad I didn't waste my money on Geiger counters, iodine pill, and other gizmos.
I plan for disasters with a higher likelihood. And generally that means a decent supply of food and water, and a good bank account.
YMMV.
PS I think a lot of this prepping is just a hobby for some; they do it for the fact that they want to. Then they have to backfill a reason to explain it to their spouse.
there's a lot of similarity to horders - "I might need this someday!"