Question regarding "mah rights"

[Kirk Freeman]

It's going to depend totally on the officer. Me personally, I'm probably not going to bother even making contact with someone carrying unless I have reason to believe that something else is going on. I'm pro gun and 2A, some cops are not. I'm (fairly) well versed in carry laws and know what I can/can't do. Some cops are not. My advice would be to comply with the request, if you're upset with how things were handled contact the department afterwards and address your complaint(s). The place to argue about something is in court, not on the street or the side of the road. Depending on the officer and their ego, you may end up getting locked up if the situation escalates greatly. Not saying that the arrest would hold up in court (although it very well could as every jurisdiction and prosecutor has their own interpretation of what the law means) but you would still have to go through the hassle. Just my .

You cannot "make contact" with anyone just for carrying. We live in a post-Pinner world. Not your "call", not your "discretion". You cannot do it.

 

[MarkC]

You cannot "make contact" with anyone just for carrying. We live in a post-Pinner world. Not your "call", not your "discretion". You cannot do it.

What about a consensual encounter? So long as there is nothing to indicate any kind of detention, can't an officer approach a citizen and "make contact" for any reason, or no reason? The citizen is not required to cooperate, or even acknowledge the officer's presence, but so long as there is no seizure, is there a problem?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

What about a consensual encounter? So long as there is nothing to indicate any kind of detention, can't an officer approach a citizen and "make contact" for any reason, or no reason? The citizen is not required to cooperate, or even acknowledge the officer's presence, but so long as there is no seizure, is there a problem?

No problems with consensual. That's on Talky McTalkerson. As I said before, this happens to me almost daily with female officers demanding my phone number.

Free legal advice: shut up.

 

[actaeon277]

I had the right to remain silent, but not the ability.

 

[hpclayto]

You cannot "make contact" with anyone just for carrying. We live in a post-Pinner world. Not your "call", not your "discretion". You cannot do it.

I can talk to anyone I want at work. Whether or not they want to partake in the conversation is a different story. All I said was barring any other information given or circumstances other than "there's a dude carrying a gun" I'm not going to even initiate an encounter and just go back in service.

 

[MarkC]

No problems with consensual. That's on Talky McTalkerson. As I said before, this happens to me almost daily with female officers demanding my phone number.

Free legal advice: shut up.

Although my employer will not permit me to give legal advice, if I could, I would echo this times one zillion.

 

[2A_Tom]

I had the right to remain silent, but not the ability.

That is a problem, for some who cannot stand silence. The will have to listen to me sing.

I can talk to anyone I want at work. Whether or not they want to partake in the conversation is a different story. All I said was barring any other information given or circumstances other than "there's a dude carrying a gun" I'm not going to even initiate an encounter and just go back in service.

It has been said on INGO that if an officer is dispatched he must make contact. Have the dispatch or response protocols been modified post-Pinner?

 

[hpclayto]

That is a problem, for some who cannot stand silence. The will have to listen to me sing.



It has been said on INGO that if an officer is dispatched he must make contact. Have the dispatch or response protocols been modified post-Pinner?

Well if it was on INGO it must be true then! Just like laws and ordinances, department SOP's are different everywhere.

 

[actaeon277]

That is a problem, for some who cannot stand silence. The will have to listen to me sing.



It has been said on INGO that if an officer is dispatched he must make contact. Have the dispatch or response protocols been modified post-Pinner?

[video=youtube;neUaSTSKFZc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neUaSTSKFZc[/video]

 

[2A_Tom]

Well if it was on INGO it must be true then! Just like laws and ordinances, department SOP's are different everywhere.

Thank you for your response.

Are there any law enforcement people who have more information on this?

 

[Dundee]

[video=youtube;neUaSTSKFZc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neUaSTSKFZc[/video]

NICE!

 

[actaeon277]

NICE!

I didn't know how many it would take, but I knew how many they were going to use. Important information.

 

[PistolPastor]

I'm still trying to find Kirk's book!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I'm still trying to find Kirk's book!

Look for it near these other fine selections by Kirk Freeman:

"How to live a rhino-free life"

"Understanding Why Smith & Wesson Kit Guns Are the Coolest Thing Ever"

"Sitting in a Darkened Room Drumming Your Fingers Against the Arm Chair for Better Health"

 

[PistolPastor]

Look for it near these other fine selections by Kirk Freeman:

"How to live a rhino-free life"

"Understanding Why Smith & Wesson Kit Guns Are the Coolest Thing Ever"

"Sitting in a Darkened Room Drumming Your Fingers Against the Arm Chair for Better Health"

Oh! The "Sitting in a Darkened Room..." book was a life-changer when I read it! Only topped by "That's Not a Real Problem: My Love Letter to Millenials"

 

[rhino]

Oh! The "Sitting in a Darkened Room..." book was a life-changer when I read it! Only topped by "That's Not a Real Problem: My Love Letter to Millenials"

Or the eagerly anticipated sequel, Millenials: Stop Being Whiney Little *****es.

 

[chipbennett]

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Happens to me all the time with female officers. I give them my cell phone number with little hearts around it.

No problems with consensual. That's on Talky McTalkerson. As I said before, this happens to me almost daily with female officers demanding my phone number.

Free legal advice: shut up.

Some free non legal advice, those "female officers" outside your office with the short skirts, heavy makeup, deep voices, and an Adams apple, are not officers or female. And even if consensual is not a good idea.

That is a problem, for some who cannot stand silence. The will have to listen to me sing.

This is you? You look different than I pictured.
[video=youtube;nTtEcWUv2X8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTtEcWUv2X8[/video]

 

[2A_Tom]

Looks like gunbunnies.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Some free non legal advice, those "female officers" outside your office with the short skirts, heavy makeup, deep voices, and an Adams apple, are not officers or female. And even if consensual is not a good idea.

The best looking hookers are always cops. Teach us that in Criminal Procedure II.