I work the gun counter part time basically just to help people make good choices and help educate people. Also fill in at another gun shop and work at a gun range besides my full time job. From my understanding the atf agent basically said they would suggest all Guns leave in a locked hard case. So Rural King decided to fallow that suggestion. Kinda of like the should/shall thing with Osha. Personally I hate the case rule. I hate telling people they need one. Then I hate listening to the complain about it lol. Trust me as much as people dislike the rule the people that work there dislike it even more.
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Ridiculous requirement by Rural King in the Haute
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doublesharp
Marksman
When Menards opened in Jeffersonville they hired away much of RK's best help and it put the store into a bit of a tailspin.
I just bought some .22 mag ammo tonight at Big R in Rochester Indiana. The clerk took the ammo from the locked glass case and placed it in a plastic ammo can then security wired the can so I could not open it between the gun section and the front check out. He then informed me the clerk in the front would remove the security cable and take the ammo out and the plastic ammo can stays at the store. I asked him why can't I just pay at the gun counter? He said it is Big R policy to do it this way. He indicated that he thought it was a silly policy, but as a employee he had no choice but to conform. And no there was no school, hospital, playground within miles of the store.
AngryRooster
Master
Policy or not, law or not, true customer service would be to have a case & a lock that the customer could USE to walk out to the car with. There's no need for the customer to buy a case then return it, right then or 2 days later.
Why do these stores not just pull a case off the shelf, write it off for store use along with a small lock, put the customers gun inside it and walk them out. They get to the car, the customer opens the case and removes their box and hands it all to the employee and drives away.
Why do these stores not just pull a case off the shelf, write it off for store use along with a small lock, put the customers gun inside it and walk them out. They get to the car, the customer opens the case and removes their box and hands it all to the employee and drives away.
possum_128
Master
Rural King didn't get this from anywhere but from the atf agent, we are just following their orders. Again, we do not agree with it we just have to do what the atf tells us to do. Look I read the same law as you guys did and I agree with you all but the problem with locked case is the fault of the atf and not Rural King so please place the blame where it lies, with the atf.
Policy or not, law or not, true customer service would be to have a case & a lock that the customer could USE to walk out to the car with. There's no need for the customer to buy a case then return it, right then or 2 days later.
Why do these stores not just pull a case off the shelf, write it off for store use along with a small lock, put the customers gun inside it and walk them out. They get to the car, the customer opens the case and removes their box and hands it all to the employee and drives away.
THIS!!!! THIS RIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!
Yes, both are equally liable, but I put most of it on RK for not doing their due diligence. I also have an issue with the ATF part. I've been in way to many stores and RK seems to be the only one requiring it, across multiple stores apparently.
Regardless it's their rules, they could just make it a bit more convenient for customers.
Could you put the following in layman's terms for those of us that don't speak law? I don't particularly understand the "has moved in or that otherwise affects foreign commerce......." portion as well as the "licensed to do so by the state." Does that mean that my LTCH allows for carry in a school zone, but not on school property? What if I'm walking down the sidewalk across the street from the school?
(q)…
…( 2)
(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of
the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law
enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
(q)…
…( 2)
(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of
the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law
enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
dekeshooter
Sharpshooter
BigR does his because rim fire and hand gun ammo has been a frequent theft item in the past. Before this was done, it was a common occurrence to find empty ammo boxes between the gun counter and the front registers. Also, there is no cash drawer in the sporting good department so paying there is not an option.
No such bull crap in Kokomo. A manager just escorts you to the door with the purchase of said weapon & asks you to put it in the vehicle if you intend to do more shopping. No fuss / no muss and Maple Crest school is within plain view behind Kroger. Oh the humbleness of a big retailer doing legitimate business!!!
This was added after Lopez if I remember correctly. Basically it was the lawmakers way of circumventing the Supreme Court decision. Since almost all firearms will move in interstate commerce at some point, this little addition to the law "can" restrict all of said firearms in federal school zones under the Commerce Clause. The new law has been upheld in lower courts I believe.
This is where intent and interpretation are coming into play. Hornett (IIRC) had asked this question to the lawyers before, but I don't remember if they answered him.
Lost Californian
Expert
When Carson's Gun Bunker was across the street from Terre Haute South high school, I was not required to case any of the guns I bought from him.
The interstate commerce language is what we call a jurisdictional hook. The feds cannot regulate as to firearms in the states outside of the interstate commerce clause. Was the gun or any part of it made outside Indiana? Has it ever been outside Indiana? Then the law applies. I would say it applies to about 99.999999% of guns.
No one is licensed to possess a long gun in the state of Indiana, so as to long guns, that "license" provision is irrelevant.
You must follow state law AND federal law. All the state law we have discussed about school property in Indiana applies regardless of what the federal law says.
If you have a handgun, a LTCH, and are OFF SCHOOL PROPERTY but in the federally defined "school zone", I see no issue.
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LMAO thats the most jacked-up thing i've ever heard. Like mentioned by the others, its most likely just a store policy. How long has the store been in that location? And why in the heck wouldn't they just move if being next door to the school is that big of a problem?!? lol
Two possible answers:
1. Retail property is hard to find in most towns and Rural King may have to take what they can get. Then there's the price. I know of many desirable retail properties that sit vacant because the land owner wants too darn much money.
2. Gun sales may not be a big money maker for Rural King so they may not believe that inconveniencing gun buyers is a detriment to their business if RK locates a store too close to a school.
possum_128
Master
1. The stores were already in place before they started selling firearms. So not moving because atf says locked cases are required on gun sales
2. Gun sales are a multi million dollar income for the company, but they are not going to up and relocate to get around an atf requirement.
And again THIS IS NOT STORE OR COMPANY POLICY! It is the ATF requiring this! Don't like this? I don't either but all this over a 16.00 case max cost on a long gun case? Bring in your own or shop at another Rural King not in a school zone or pay more for your gun from some where else.
You all have a great day I give up on this thread.
