So I guess all the "Russia!" stuff was projection

[Kutnupe14]

This is just a few shoes dropping in a likely centipede.

Most likely. Paul Manafort supporting the pro-Russian regime in Ukraine becomes a member of the campaign. Coincidence? Maybe... but he broke the law, lock him up...same with Gates.
Papadopoulous, a guy who was ON Trump's national security team, actively seeking to work with a foreign power to influence an American election. IMO, he's lucky to be avoiding the "T" word. He had been flipped a while ago, and his indictment was sealed, most likely because he had been funneling information to Mueller... and that was months ago. It's a fair bet that since he's been outed, the next guy has been flipped. This investigation is I believe is just at the beginning.

And when it's over....

[video=youtube;d7Uy0Uznw4E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Uy0Uznw4E[/video]

 

[T.Lex]

OK, so he colluded with people who like the Russians even if it happened outside his time working for/with Trump. Close enough.

Wait.

Where is this idea that it stopped before he was on Trump's team?

One loan in the indictment apparently closed March 2016 - same month he joined Trump's team. Wonder what bank it came from....

 

[amboy49]

So . . . . . . I’m not really understanding much of this but wondering if Trump has a G Gordon Liddy who will take the fall for him ?

 

[Kutnupe14]

So . . . . . . I’m not really understanding much of this but wondering if Trump has a G Gordon Liddy who will take the fall for him ?

I doubt there will be someone willing to take the fall, but I bet that they're getting together to decide which poor sap is going to be the sacrificial lamb. One thing though, I think this is the tip of the iceberg. I think these indictments have been released because, they've been given the next tier of soon to be federal penitentiary inmates. And when I say "inmates," I mean prison, not the NFL.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf George P. false statements to the FBI.

 

[Dentoro]

Never mind all THESE treasonous crimes. The media wants you to care that Trump MAY have been involved in something.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

I wonder how much evidence was recovered from Manaforts home which was not covered by the search warrent?

 

[hoosierdoc]

I wonder how much evidence was recovered from Manaforts home which was not covered by the search warrent?

it goes both ways though. Supposedly they found things that were not supposed to exist, according to statements

 

[Kutnupe14]

I wonder how much evidence was recovered from Manaforts home which was not covered by the search warrent?

Evidence listed in a search warrant isn't the only things that may be seized. I think you're asking about evidence seized illegally, of which there is currently no evidence of.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Evidence listed in a search warrant isn't the only things that may be seized. I think you're asking about evidence seized illegally, of which there is currently no evidence of.

except for the attorney-client privilege stuff they took...

https://lawnewz.com/high-profile/mu...ally-really-hurt-their-case-against-manafort/

 

[Kutnupe14]

except for the attorney-client privilege stuff they took...

https://lawnewz.com/high-profile/mu...ally-really-hurt-their-case-against-manafort/

That completely depends on if they were aware of that at the time the information was seized.

 

[hoosierdoc]

That completely depends on if they were aware of that at the time the information was seized.

Supposedly the attorneys were very clear with the FBI not to touch those records. They were taking anyway, and later returned.

My suspicion is these supposed crimes were already known and were kept in someone's back pocket. Now they are being used to pressure Manafort into spilling the beans on Trump. I guarantee they do not care about Manafort. These wire transfers were reported to the FBI years ago when our wonderful special prosecutor was running the FBI. As far as we know nothing was done. The statute of limitation on some of these has expired. Mueller Either screwed up back then and is now correcting that mistake, or he learned enough to hold onto it until he could use it to his advantage.

 

[jamil]

Well. Both sides are represented. Proof that people can hear the same news and get the story they want. So at the end of all this, if there’s still no evidence of Trump colluding with Russia, will that be like a ruined orgasm?

 

[T.Lex]

Regarding attorney-client privilege, all of those players have lawyers. There are lots of permutations that would allow the legal correspondence to be taken.

Is it just a coincidence that the charges allege events that lead right up to when Manafort joined Trump's team, but go no further? It could be an innocent effort to avoid the view that it is political sabotage.... well.... to the extent that's possible.

 

[T.Lex]

Well. Both sides are represented. Proof that people can hear the same news and get the story they want. So at the end of all this, if there’s still no evidence of Trump colluding with Russia, will that be like a ruined orgasm?

I guess I'm confused by this.

This whole thing is embarrassing. It is shameful that someone like this could be one of "the best" selected by a presidential candidate, who went on to become president. And please, INGO, spare me the Clinton comparison on that. A better **** stain than the other guy is not something to brag about.

I will readily admit that part of my sentiment is based on info from people out in DC that people aren't really surprised by this stuff about Manafort. People didn't necessarily know the specifics, but he had a reputation for being dirty. Trump had to be aware, generally.

 

[Birds Away]

This investigation is 100% a political act that is supported by the leadership of both parties. It will only end with Trump leaving office, either at the end of his term, by resignation or through impeachment. The media, acting as proxy of the government, will continue to beat this drum until they get what they want. Mrs. Clinton's blatant criminal acts will continue to be ignored.

 

[churchmouse]

This investigation is 100% a political act that is supported by the leadership of both parties. It will only end with Trump leaving office, either at the end of his term, by resignation or through impeachment. The media, acting as proxy of the government, will continue to beat this drum until they get what they want. Mrs. Clinton's blatant criminal acts will continue to be ignored.

Well, they ignored Bills as well. As much as they could.

 

[T.Lex]

This investigation is 100% a political act that is supported by the leadership of both parties.

The obverse of that, though, is that if there is real, actual criminal activity perpetrated by the politically connected, it would go unprosecuted. That's not good, either.

If anything, this is an exercise in pumping out part of the swamp.

Please, if you haven't read the indictment, please do. It is actually pretty well written, without a bunch of legalese. And of course, these are only allegations. If I could channel my inner KF, every indictment makes it look like the defendant is guilty, so that doesn't necessarily mean much. But, if even 10% of the allegations are true, it looks REALLY really bad.

 

[Kutnupe14]

This investigation is 100% a political act that is supported by the leadership of both parties. It will only end with Trump leaving office, either at the end of his term, by resignation or through impeachment. The media, acting as proxy of the government, will continue to beat this drum until they get what they want. Mrs. Clinton's blatant criminal acts will continue to be ignored.

If the president and his associates have committed a crime, and it's proven, then he should be held accountable, end-of-story. It is difficult to say that the liberal media is acting as a proxy for the govt, given that the govt, consisting of both houses of Congress and the presidency, is GOP held. Ms. Clinton's blatant criminal acts have not been proven, nor even suggested by the GOP led DoJ. Further Clinton is a private citizen, and has no bearing on the security of the nation. She does not have the ability to affect the daily lives of Americans through policy. If one is to draw up a hierarchy of priorities, I would hope that it would be significantly more concerning to find out if our sitting govt is in league with a foreign enemy, than the past transgressions of a private citizen. If Clinton did something criminal, and it is proven, prosecute her.... but let's find out FIRST if our govt is a proxy for an enemy nation, before settling vendettas with private citizens.

 

[Birds Away]

If the president and his associates have committed a crime, and it's proven, then he should be held accountable, end-of-story. It is difficult to say that the liberal media is acting as a proxy for the govt, given that the govt, consisting of both houses of Congress and the presidency, is GOP held. Ms. Clinton's blatant criminal acts have not been proven, nor even suggested by the GOP led DoJ. Further Clinton is a private citizen, and has no bearing on the security of the nation. She does not have the ability to affect the daily lives of Americans through policy. If one is to draw up a hierarchy of priorities, I would hope that it would be significantly more concerning to find out if our sitting govt is in league with a foreign enemy, than the past transgressions of a private citizen. If Clinton did something criminal, and it is proven, prosecute her.... but let's find out FIRST if our govt is a proxy for an enemy nation, before settling vendettas with private citizens.

There isn't an elected official in Washington, D.C. that has not committed a crime. I firmly believe this. The Trump administration isn't acting as a proxy for an enemy nation. They are simply acting outside of the accepted norms for the two sides of one coin. The real decision makers in our government, the big banks, the upper level bureaucracy, the permanent intelligence apparatus, the elected lapdogs, etc. and their media mouthpieces are going to ensure this populist elected president gets nowhere. The people spoke loud and clear of their dissatisfaction with the status quo of greed and corruption and now the swamp is rising up to protect itself. Trump has a few of the necessary qualities for this task but not enough of them and he is most certainly not politically savvy enough to win. He will eventually be replaced by someone from within the fold and it doesn't really matter what letter is next to their name. We will be back on the path to a totalitarian socialist/communist regime that all of these players so desperately want.