SouthBend common council

[LP1]

Quit spending money at Wal Mart on guns, ammo, or anything else. Let Wal Mart's lawyers argue with South Bend's lawyers. Drive a few miles to the LGS. Lots of good ones nearby - Midwest, Granger, and ZX to name a few. None of them are actually in South Bend; coincidence?

 

[daddymikey1975]

Let Wal Mart's lawyers argue with South Bend's lawyers.

Yup, and if the people quit complaining about something that isn't right, when will 'they' stop doing crap that isn't right ??

Someone's gotta be a 'voice'.. I have no problems doing so. I would have much rather been at the meeting, however, as noted, I couldn't make it.

Certainly not trying to be argumentative here, however, this was my contribution. Where's yours?

 

[jon5212]

Yeah I think a pro 2a attorney needs to take this up. It seems the council has knowingly violated state law. I think this council needs some new members. How do you remove council members?

 

[daddymikey1975]

Councilman Vice Pres. Mr. Davis replied to my request for a copy of the 'agreement' (see, I've been busy). He also sent me a link to the 'minutes' of the council meeting at the time that WalMart petitioned the city.

link to the minutes (scroll down to page 29): http://docs.southbendin.gov/WebLink8/DocView.aspx?id=20930&page=1&dbid=0

and here's a link to the .pdf file that contains the agreement itself: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3ib959va20y67d1/RnoPq7e5oB/Walmart.pdf

Seems like WalMart started it, but doesn't care about how the media is portraying them, also, the story that was made up back in 2011 sounds eerily familiar to the one that was reported recently by the good reverend on the news.

Thoughts?

 

[9mmfan]

I think state law trumps any agreement the city and Wal Mart have.

 

[cobber]

I think state law trumps any agreement the city and Wal Mart have.

It seems Walmart wants out of the game, however.

 

[dwickstrom]

Yeah he sent me the same stuff I believe it bout as far as I can throw his fata**

 

[jcwit]

Well, the good reverend and the city council can take credit for getting the evil "tactical" guns and .223 ammo off the streets while the supply of 9MM, 40 S&W, and 45 acp ammo stays open for the gang bangers and WalMart continues to make a profit.

Looks like a win, win all around.

 

[daddymikey1975]

The problem that I have is when Walmart decided to sell the evil black guns and other dangerous ammunition,the city had no right getting involved and forcing them.to comply with an agreement that became illegal after the state law changed.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

I go there almost everyday. In fact, most Walmart all the time, I drive a lot for my job. I am not sure what people are talking about by assault weapons. What does that mean? They have a Stevens 12 gauge, with a hand grip stock but it is no different than the other 12 gauges. Actually I think that only holds 6 rounds. I saw on the news one of the counselman was talking about .223 going through a bullet proof vest. These guys have know idea what they are talking about. Some people go by looks, the gun looks mean so it is an assault rifle.
The other fact is, your not talking about criminal posession your talking about law abiding tax payers that get a background check. There is know distintion between the two accourding to the common counsel.

I no what you mean...

 

[apsjiml]

So, can they just blow the city off and just keep selling can they actually enforce any of it?

 

[apsjiml]

Does the state regulate what type of hours you can sell firearms and ammunition? I go there all the time, those cases are locked everytime.

 

[jon5212]

I think state law trumps any agreement the city and Wal Mart have.

I believe that is true. I would also assume walmart holds an FFL to sell rifles. So I don't think the south bend council can do any sort of thing legally if walmart told the council to go F themselves.

It's tiring seeing all these do-gooders mucking things up.

 

[apsjiml]

That is covered in 292 chapter 11.1 local regulation of firearms which covers what type of firearms etc. So what the South Bend council is doing is illegal to regulate at the local level. I just saw a sign last night in the firearm section about the local ordinance which is actually illegal. So is telling them what type of firearms they can sell. I wonder if Walmart knows that?

 

[daddymikey1975]

That is covered in 292 chapter 11.1 local regulation of firearms which covers what type of firearms etc. So what the South Bend council is doing is illegal to regulate at the local level. I just saw a sign last night in the firearm section about the local ordinance which is actually illegal. So is telling them what type of firearms they can sell. I wonder if Walmart knows that?

If you dig through this thread, I posted up an email that I sent to WalMart's attorney. Evidently, they could care less.

 

[jedi]

If you dig through this thread, I posted up an email that I sent to WalMart's attorney. Evidently, they could care less.

It's not that they care its more an issue of bottom line/money.
1) There most likely is not a big enough market in that location to offer the black rifle like sold in other stores (ie. A wal-mart near terrau hut ??sp?? Sells reloading dies, powder, etc yet the wal-marts in nwi do not)

2) even if there was a market in south bend for the black rifles, wal-mart might have looked at the pros/cons of selling a legal item that the locals donot want sold. At that point it becomes an issue of 'goodwill citizen'. Do you sell an item the locals do not want you selling and risk getting a hard time from the city. Ie. Rezoning of space, higher taxes, etc.. there are many things a local gov can do to eventually push out a retailer.

So legal or illegal ordinance wal-mart may have felt its not worth their trouble when they make much more money selling everything else in their store. after all wal-marts goal is to make money for its shareholders, not to be pro-2a or pro-anything else.

 

[cobber]

That is covered in 292 chapter 11.1 local regulation of firearms which covers what type of firearms etc. So what the South Bend council is doing is illegal to regulate at the local level. I just saw a sign last night in the firearm section about the local ordinance which is actually illegal. So is telling them what type of firearms they can sell. I wonder if Walmart knows that?

Link?

 

[daddymikey1975]

Link?

Enrolled Act, Senate Bill 0292

 

[jedi]

Enrolled Act, Senate Bill 0292

I think he wanted the link to where wal-mart said it did not care.

 

[KG1]

I think he wanted the link to where wal-mart said it did not care.

I think he may be talking about a link to the local ordinance that was mentioned.