Sugarland concert stage collapse.

[singlestacksig]

The people working did not have any idea that the truss would be a risk.
the truss should have stayed up in 90+ MPH winds..
something was not right with that set up.. bad design, bad assembly, and / or bad parts..
did a union crew put it up? were they provided the correct parts?
In one of the high resolution still photos wrtv6 had you can see the down stage right tower come apart at the section breaks, no twisting or deforming of the truss. the pins to hold it together either broke or were not there.

 

[blackenedman]

The truss sections are bolted together with rated steel hardware. Once any side load, or twisting of the truss happened, I think the load probably pulled the bolts right thru the truss.

 

[Knife Lady]

I lost an old friend in that collapse. His name is Nate Byd. He was an employee and was on the stage at the very top working the lights.
I am very sad to hear he is gone. He was a great guy. He will be missed.
Prayers to his family.

 

[Roadie]

The people working did not have any idea that the truss would be a risk.
the truss should have stayed up in 90+ MPH winds..
something was not right with that set up.. bad design, bad assembly, and / or bad parts..
did a union crew put it up? were they provided the correct parts?
In one of the high resolution still photos wrtv6 had you can see the down stage right tower come apart at the section breaks, no twisting or deforming of the truss. the pins to hold it together either broke or were not there.

You didn't read the rest of the thread, did ya?

 

[singlestacksig]

The truss sections are bolted together with rated steel hardware. Once any side load, or twisting of the truss happened, I think the load probably pulled the bolts right thru the truss.

since another stage failure within the past 2 years was found to be below spec bolts, grade 2 Vs grade 8, one has to wonder what bolts where used..
the last time i put up a large truss we used 3/4 inch grade 8 bolts.. the truss would fail before the bolt would.

 

[blackenedman]

since another stage failure within the past 2 years was found to be below spec bolts, grade 2 Vs grade 8, one has to wonder what bolts where used..
the last time i put up a large truss we used 3/4 inch grade 8 bolts.. the truss would fail before the bolt would.

Right, which is what I was implying by the bolts being pulled thru the truss. Do you have any info you can point me to, in regards to the show and rig you're referring to? I'm quite interested in learning where the fail points are in these rigs, since it could possibly be my life next time..

 

[singlestacksig]

Right, which is what I was implying by the bolts being pulled thru the truss. Do you have any info you can point me to, in regards to the show and rig you're referring to? I'm quite interested in learning where the fail points are in these rigs, since it could possibly be my life next time..

if i remeber correctly the Flaming Lips show had wrong bolts.. my Wife had the reports on several on them.. I will post links to info..

 

[singlestacksig]

Partial List of Prior Failures



2003

NJ



Justin Timberlake/Christina Aguilera Supertruss failure



http://www.jimonlight.com/2008/11/0...-timberlakechristina-aguilera-truss-collapse/






2008/2009



Los Angeles, CA Dodger Stadium / Marseille, France (Two incidents)

Madonna

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/n...n-into-madonna-stage-collapse-begins-20090717






2009



Camrose, Alberta

Billy Currington / Big Valley Jamboree



Stage collapse at Alberta's Big Valley Jamboree Claims Life



Big Valley Jamboree 2009 stage collapse leads to charges | Canada Views

leads-to-charges/



2010



Chichen Itza, Mexico

Elton John



Entertainment - theage.com.au

mexico-injures-three-20100402-rivb.html



2010



Pontiac, MI

A.R.Rahman (Slumdog Millionaire)



http://theatresafetyblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/concert-rigging-in-michigan-

collapses.html



2011



Ottowa, Canada

Cheap Trick



http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/cheap-trick-survives-stage-collapse-in-

canada-20110718



2011



Tulsa, OK

Flaming Lips





http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/video-flaming-lips-stage-collapses-in-

oklahoma-20110808



2011



Indianapolis, IN

(Sugarland)

 

[gunsisgood]

You didn't read the rest of the thread, did ya?

Not nessecary,
evan Ray Charles could see,
s o m e o n e choked.

 

[blackenedman]

I was aware of most of those failures, and of the links that I followed that worked, I could not locate any details from investigations that occurred. I saw where some charges were filed in Canada, but there's no detail as to what failed and who put it there.

I understand most of the recent failures will not have many details available, as many of them are still under investigation. The above mentioned failure happened in 2009.

From my understanding of this local investigation, there will be 6 agencies conducting investigations. Will they all have the same finding? Who's will be "the right one"?

 

[singlestacksig]

I was aware of most of those failures, and of the links that I followed that worked, I could not locate any details from investigations that occurred. I saw where some charges were filed in Canada, but there's no detail as to what failed and who put it there.

I understand most of the recent failures will not have many details available, as many of them are still under investigation. The above mentioned failure happened in 2009.

From my understanding of this local investigation, there will be 6 agencies conducting investigations. Will they all have the same finding? Who's will be "the right one"?

who knows.. useless there is a single glaring thing all we can do is try to learn what happened , and how to correct for it in the future.. we I am at home I will try to get more specific info.. that was copied from an email..
Unfortunatly Your life is at risk when stuff starts going in the air.. and you are at the mercy of the guy who picks the equipment.. one shacle or turnbuckle that has been overloaded before might pick now to give way..

 

[blackenedman]

Agreed and understood. Just trying to learn, myself. If you end up with more info, it will be appreciated. thanks for looking and helping me out...

 

[Roadie]

Not nessecary,
evan Ray Charles could see,
s o m e o n e choked.

In regards to the evacuation, or the structure?

The lead investigator from the Engineering firm hired by the State said something to the affect that even a permanent structure hit with the right kind of unpredictable rotational winds, as being suggested by some weather experts, could/would have been damaged...

 

[gunsisgood]

In regards to the evacuation, or the structure?/QUOTE]



Weather happens, the structure never should have.

 

[Roadie]

Weather happens, the structure never should have.

Uhm, OK... Care to elaborate?

 

[SpeedwayShooter]

Not buying tickets up front anymore. Had no clue how much stuff like this happens

 

[Roadie]

Not buying tickets up front anymore. Had no clue how much stuff like this happens

How much is that?

Hundreds of concerts a year per major city in the world, times the number of years concerts have been going on... minus a couple isolated incidents.. hmm

So it probably happens less than the number of times a licensed gun owner commits a gun crime, which is less than 0.25% of all gun crimes..

See what I am driving at here?

 

[mammynun]

How much is that?

Hundreds of concerts a year per major city in the world, times the number of years concerts have been going on... minus a couple isolated incidents.. hmm

So it probably happens less than the number of times a licensed gun owner commits a gun crime, which is less than 0.25% of all gun crimes..

See what I am driving at here?

Let them stay home... easier for me to get good tickets! I miss festival seating.

 

[thompal]

Not buying tickets up front anymore. Had no clue how much stuff like this happens

Up front?? Bleh. The best seats are about 70-150 feet back, in the center or within 20' of the centerline. You're wasting your time and money to sit up front.

 

[Roadie]

Up front?? Bleh. The best seats are about 70-150 feet back, in the center or within 20' of the centerline. You're wasting your time and money to sit up front.

You can always tell someone who knows something about live audio..

I always crack up when people talk about how crappy the sound was, then you ask them where they were sitting and they say "up front".