The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[Kutnupe14]

And? The result? He was not sued for it. The company was. In the released FBI documents most of the interviewed witnesses said there was not discrimination. Some claimed there was. The ones who claimed there was, did they provide proof other than testimony that there was? Did they have a reason to lie? I don’t know. Do you?

It comes down, not to a rationally derived belief. You believe what your intuition tells you. Intuition boils down to “I’m right because it’s me”, but then everyone else is a “me” too.

This is not evidence that Trump is a racist. And you’ve even said yourself that you don’t know if he’s a racist. Yet you act as if you do believe it. And you cite faulty logic like guilt by association.

No, I act as if there's a possibility that he is. I did say that I don't know if Trump is a racist, but I also said that he panders to a number in his base, because he thinks they are racists, and he's not willing to lose their support. That said, Trump ain't getting 20% of the Black vote.

 

[Doug]

Haven't you been paying attention?
Trump is evil.
Every statement made by any person proves this; either by what is said or by who says it.
The conclusion comes first. The evidence is gathered to support it.

​Just like impeachment...

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Directly targeted? I'm thinking more about rhetoric. A rhetoric used to exploit the biases of some of those in his base
1) Housing Discrimination

Where is it proven that he “discriminated” blacks? I’m the realty business sometimes you have to evict people, black or white.

2) Central Park 5
For callin for the death penalty when they were charged with rape?!? Wrongly maybe, but at the time that wasn’t known.


3) Birtherism

Kinda a reach there. Lots of people still aren’t convinced.


4) Comments on Mexican immigrants

Directly effects blacks?

5) Calling on a complete ban of Muslims entering the country

Directly effects blacks?

6) I don't know who David Duke is

Ever think maybe he really didn’t?

7) "Very fine people.... on both sides"

That’s insulting to blacks?

8) ****hole nations

Directly effects blacks?

9) Steve Bannon

What about him?

10) Pocahantas

Directly effects blacks?

11) Stephen Miller

The supposed “white nationalist” that is only against illegal immigration? Directly effects blacks?


12) the support he enjoys from the Klan and Neo-Nazi groups (i.e. "Hail Trump)

Where has he endorsed or gave support to either of them? I’ll wait for a link showing his approval.


13) Pardon of Joe Arapio

Everything a cop does is “racial profiling”. Out of all your “examples” this is probably the only one with any weight, but it’s still meaningless because every time a ticket is wrote to a black person it’s “because they’re black”.

14) Harriet Tubman $20

Wasn’t that because of the money it would take to do so? Kind of a reach there, why didn’t Obama do it then?

15) Telling American congresswomen to "go back to their countries"

Again, directly effects blacks?

Sounds as if most of your examples are just your personal bias and not the views of most blacks in America. If I wanted to find racism in everything I look at, I could dig up plenty of things where Obama favored blacks over whites. Maybe I need to put my victimhood glasses on and start looking at every way I’m being oppressed

 

[Hatin Since 87]

So did Obama. The difference is that Obama reversed a rising trend. Trump, went into office when employment was already trending downward. And I'd be interested in hearing what other "good," (besides taking over a already trending lower unemployment rate) Trump has done for Black Americans, that should make them look favorably upon him.

Really? Cause the statistics show otherwise https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

 

[jamil]

No, I act as if there's a possibility that he is. I did say that I don't know if Trump is a racist, but I also said that he panders to a number in his base, because he thinks they are racists, and he's not willing to lose their support. That said, Trump ain't getting 20% of the Black vote.

Probably not 20%. Joe Biden will be along to tell them that Trump will put them back in chains, and then he’ll recount the story of when the black children felt his legs. But, he’s yer guy...

That Trump pandered to racists is another interpretation that I think is irrational. Your evidence of which is your list above, and your proof of your interpretation is faulty. Just to judge your consistency, did you complain about Obama’s pandering to black people over race? “If I had a son...”, etcetera. Admittedly though, if it was pandering, Obama’s was way smoother.

 

[printcraft]

Is there something in my list that is false? Or do you think I'm misrepresenting the president's intent, and that he's simply not a politician, hence why sometimes his words are "problematic."

Yes. If you don’t already know you haven’t done your homework very well and are relying on MSM talking points.

 

[jamil]

Sounds as if most of your examples are just your personal bias and not the views of most blacks in America. If I wanted to find racism in everything I look at, I could dig up plenty of things where Obama favored blacks over whites. Maybe I need to put my victimhood glasses on and start looking at every way I’m being oppressed

Kut has special hearing aids. They let him hear dog whistles no one else can hear.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Kut has special hearing aids. They let him hear dog whistles no one else can hear.

I need to get one of those. I wanna be a victim too

 

[Kutnupe14]

Sounds as if most of your examples are just your personal bias and not the views of most blacks in America. If I wanted to find racism in everything I look at, I could dig up plenty of things where Obama favored blacks over whites. Maybe I need to put my victimhood glasses on and start looking at every way I’m being oppressed

I think the nuance of the examples I gave are beyond you. That's not knock, that's just something that's obvious based on your responses. And you are hardly the only one like that.
Oh and for the record, I don't claim to speak for all of Black America. I just know there no way in hell that Trump is getting 20% of that vote. A white person could tell you that.

 

[Brad69]

Yea not 20% looks more like 30%!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/can-trump-earn-black-support-11579133622

Its about the Jobs people are working to heck with a bunch of empty promises of free things from the Democrats. Paychecks talk louder than promised free stuff that even the most disinterested people look at and say that can’t happen.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I think the nuance of the examples I gave are beyond you. That's not knock, that's just something that's obvious based on your responses. And you are hardly the only one like that.
Oh and for the record, I don't claim to speak for all of Black America. I just know there no way in hell that Trump is getting 20% of that vote. A white person could tell you that.

Well if they’re so far beyond me it should be easily disputed, so why not address the points? How does calling a white lady Pocahontas effect the black community? How does calling to ban Muslims effect the black community? Instead of just using the liberal “you’re stupid and I’m not answering that” logic, break it down and show me where I’m wrong in my opinions.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I need to get one of those. I wanna be a victim too

No one said anything about victims. I just pointed out why a lot of people of color dislike Trump. If you're looking for victims, you're in the right place. There are plenty of folks that lament the oppression of WCSMs. lol

 

[Ingomike]

Lively discussion. You Gus are so good at showing the followers just where Kut is wrong...

 

[VulpesForge]

Bear with me for a moment this is going to sound controversial until you get through all of it and if I should change the text color to rainbows or something to make it lighter I will, just let me know please.
Firstly, all of these groups are such a tiny minority of society they are statistically not relevant. I think the part that gets confusing in these less than savory groups is that most of them are deeply nationalist as a side note and what most people consider racist as a primary focus. Nationalism on it's own is a very good thing, but on the same hand the Nazi's were national socialists. Nationalism is having a vested interest and love for country and therefore making moves to better inwardly. People who may otherwise believe in bettering the country within, but don't have the whole story (half educated or half cocked if you will) stop half way to a well rounded answer are easily manipulated into thinking there is one singular cause for all the nations problems (jews, blacks, asians, whites, immigrants, etc) instead of finding the harder to swallow truth. This happens for many reasons, but most of them end up being a lack of complete thoughts. (not making excuses for these people, but an explanation of how easy it is to stop at an answer that is more simple and desirable than self reflection and bettering oneself) The liberals do it just as much with antifa and the new black panthers etc etc blaming white males. It isn't a left/right problem it's a heart problem and a critical thought problem like most of the pressing issues in our culture today.
I say all that to say this, I feel Trump is a nationalist (which in my book is a good thing and why so many of his movements are improving infrastructure and removing tax burdens like illegals that eat food stamps and send their progeny to public schools on our dime and further cutting some EPA red tape and reducing alphabet agency powers) and that's what appeals to these groups. It isn't relieving the tax burden or controlling the flow of unvaccinated illegals bringing disease they see though, it's removing the brown menace from the south. They choose to see something that isn't there or rather to construe it in such a way as to make 2+8=5 in my opinion. They see the part they want to see but they're missing 50% of what's happened. This is why I believe Spencer and his ilk regret voting for trump now. They bought into the dems lies as much as the left did. He's very obviously not a racist and was never accused until there was an (R) next to his name on the ballot. I have said this before, not here, but shall maintain that Trump is pretty much a 90's business democrat. Go back through the old policies of yesterday and compare them to what he's doing now.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Well if they’re so far beyond me it should be easily disputed, so why not address the points? How does calling a white lady Pocahontas effect the black community? How does calling to ban Muslims effect the black community? Instead of just using the liberal “you’re stupid and I’m not answering that” logic, break it down and show me where I’m wrong in my opinions.

Yes, the nuance evades you. I'll explain. If an Asian person thinks it's ok to disparage Hispanics around me, why wouldn't that same person disparage black people, around a white person? The fact of it, is that bigotry in all forms is wrong, and bigot IS a bigot regardless of who they target. A person doesn't get a pass simply because they aren't targeting your particular group; at least to people that understand the nuance.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Lively discussion. You Gus are sooooooooo good at showing the followers just where Kut is wrong...

Emphasis added

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Yes, the nuance evades you. I'll explain. If an Asian person thinks it's ok to disparage Hispanics around me, why wouldn't that same person disparage black people, around a white person? The fact of it, is that bigotry in all forms is wrong, and bigot IS a bigot regardless of who they target. A person doesn't get a pass simply because they aren't targeting your particular group; at least to people that understand the nuance.

Ever think maybe the Asian understands that he’s here LEGALLY, whereas the other is here ILLEGALLY, and that’s who he’s wanting to “disparage”? I guess the Asian would have to think for himself and understand that, instead of listening to what cnn tells him to think of the situation.

 

[VulpesForge]

I think the nuance of the examples I gave are beyond you. That's not knock, that's just something that's obvious based on your responses. And you are hardly the only one like that.
Oh and for the record, I don't claim to speak for all of Black America. I just know there no way in hell that Trump is getting 20% of that vote. A white person could tell you that.

I agree, reasonably he probably isn't getting that percentage, but it's like all of the polls taken, an aggregate is the only thing that can show any form of reasonable outcome. A single poll can be so easily skewed it can make Yang look like he has a real shot. If you could somehow get an aggregate and polls across the country saying 20% or near we might have something to talk about.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Ever think maybe the Asian understands that he’s here LEGALLY, whereas the other is here ILLEGALLY, and that’s who he’s wanting to “disparage”? I guess the Asian would have to think for himself and understand that, instead of listening to what cnn tells him to think of the situation.

Your words betray you. Who is here illegally again? Do you think yourself similar or dissimilar to most Trump voters?

 

[Brad69]

You dudes are smoking something!

DJT is at 30% with blacks in the last 3 major polls