The Left Hates You INGO...

[Jludo]

I hate only jedi. I dislike that every time someone opens their mouth (to say something negative about the MSMBS or positive about Trump) one of the tertiary adjunct of the Trump resistance has to object.

Curious what the proper ratio is, conservatives stroking one another vs dissenting critics? 8:1? Give me a number and I'll try to limit my responses accordingly.

 

[bwframe]

The problem is that there are only two sides. Are the dissenting critics helping to make a positive impact on the right side or are they aiding the enemy?

 

[2A_Tom]

The question would be, have you ever added anything positive to the conversation.

You hardly ever, if at all say anything positive, therefore while you are welcome to post negatively, it most likely will not be generally received well by most here.

I personally see you as one of them, not one of us. It is not really necessary to post that you are the opposition, we already know.

It is true though, that if you stopped posting we would forget you quickly.

Unlike Trump in your head, (although I can not talk for all INGO) you do not take up any space in my head.

 

[Jludo]

The problem is that there are only two sides. Are the dissenting critics helping to make a positive impact on the right side or are they aiding the enemy?

I don't see how any of the criticism here has ever fallen into the 'aid the enemy' category. For as much as I bash Trump, I nor I doubt anyone here voted dem in the last election. How do you see criticism of Trump as aiding the enemy?

When I'm talking to liberal democrats about things like guns I come off as a gun nut conservative.

 

[HoughMade]

Why do we care if they "hate us". Not everyone has to like us.

That we believe that there are better ways to run the country than those advocated by leftists and that we should work to promote these better ways is of importance.

That some people who neither know me, nor care about me don't like what I believe in strikes me irrelevant.

To think about these issues in terms of "they don't like me" strikes me as narcissistic.

 

[Ingomike]

Why do we care if they "hate us". Not everyone has to like us.

That we believe that there are better ways to run the country than those advocated by leftists and that we should work to promote these better ways is of importance.

That some people who neither know me, nor care about me don't like what I believe in strikes me irrelevant.

To think about these issues in terms of "they don't like me" strikes me as narcissistic.

The point of the thread is to let those that do not follow this stuff how they really think of us. They do not just disagree with us, they spew actual hate and contempt for us. A place to note those statements and expressions is worthwhile.

 

[printcraft]

Why do we care if they "hate us". Not everyone has to like us.
That we believe that there are better ways to run the country than those advocated by leftists and that we should work to promote these better ways is of importance.
That some people who neither know me, nor care about me don't like what I believe in strikes me irrelevant.
To think about these issues in terms of "they don't like me" strikes me as narcissistic.

Well, there is a difference in the associated behavior on the left end of the spectrum.
They don't simply "dislike" you, they don't limit it to words they will act on it (attack) if given the chance.

Wear a Hillary 2020 hat in Chicago or New York and you won't get a second look.
Try that with a Trump 2020 hat and get back to me on what you think would happen.
(oh wait, people with Trump hats are assaulted regularly, nevermind)

 

[Cameramonkey]

Well, there is a difference in the associated behavior on the left end of the spectrum.
They don't simply "dislike" you, they don't limit it to words they will act on it (attack) if given the chance.

Wear a Hillary 2020 hat in Chicago or New York and you won't get a second look.
Try that with a Trump 2020 hat and get back to me on what you think would happen.
(oh wait, people with Trump hats are assaulted regularly, nevermind)

This. This is kinda like liberals and the dictators. "if we just show these countries love, they will not hate us anymore and we can all just get along." No they will do whatever they can to destroy you and take your land, steal your wives, rape your cattle, and kill you if you dont submit to their wishes.

Counselor's reaction is similar.

We dont play by the same rules. If we dont like you/your choices, we tend to be more likely to live and let live, or seek out legislation or other civilized means to change hearts and minds, etc. If they dont like us, they will sometimes stop at nothing to destroy us. Cancel culture is a good example.
I dont like his stance on gun control, abortion, etc. so I will seek to change his mind, and use civilized means to legislate the issue. (or ignore him and allow him to have his own views)
THEY dont like our stance, we need to be physically assaulted, die, lose our jobs, have our elderly parents harassed for daring to raise such a hateful person, etc. until we are as enlightened as they are and see things their way.

It is about hate.

 

[Jludo]

The point of the thread is to let those that do not follow this stuff how they really think of us. They do not just disagree with us, they spew actual hate and contempt for us. A place to note those statements and expressions is worthwhile.

I think the danger is in further separating the two camps and as the cliche goes dividing the country. The majority of regular people who identify republicans and democrats are doing what they think is best. It's when we start attributing malice to everyone on the other side of the aisle that we run into major problems. I think we give a vastly oversized megaphone to the most hateful on the other side as it makes us feel like martyred victims. It's the ideas like civil liberties and founding principles that matter, not which party you think will do best (and for the record I think a lot of people in both parties simply feel they're supporting the lesser of evils, a lot aren't happy about things going on in their own camp)

 

[bwframe]

The left encourages intimidation among their ranks and believers. They regularly call out to seek those on the right in public and at their homes, with family.

 

[HoughMade]

...they spew actual hate and contempt for us. A place to note those statements and expressions is worthwhile.

So what? Put another way, so what are we supposed to do about it?

If anyone thinks that because others are hateful, that makes it acceptable to be hateful, you are part of the problem.

I see plenty of hateful things from the more conservative side. That is disappointing.

The "you have to get down in the mud" mentality is misguided. Be better. Work harder. If our ideas are truly better, we should be able to articulate that.

"They hate you"....sounds like we're trying to get people to think of themselves as victims. Refuse.

 

[Jludo]

The left encourages intimidation among their ranks and believers. They regularly call out to seek those on the right in public and at their homes, with family.

What percent of the left do you think irredeemably down this path?

 

[Slapstick]

Interesting article from The Atlantic titled "Republicans Don’t Understand Democrats—And Democrats Don’t Understand Republicans." with links to the actual study's summary. Worth the read.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...-democrats-dont-understand-each-other/592324/

 

[printcraft]

....I see plenty of hateful things from the more conservative side. That is disappointing..........

Sticks and stones vs. words... (again, one side will only use words, the other is likely to use actual sticks and stones)

"They hate you"....sounds like we're trying to get people to think of themselves as victims. Refuse.

I don't think of myself as a victim when I am concerned about self defense, I take proactive steps to not be a victim.

 

[HoughMade]

....I don't think of myself as a victim when I am concerned about self defense, I take proactive steps to not be a victim.

If someone were actually physically threatening you, I would agree.

Mean words? Even words that speak of violence but are not actually a physical threat to you?

We should be better than to whine about that.

 

[Sigblitz]

I have always voted for the best candidate. I supported Trump. He had ideas that's sane and he's following through. The Democrats are out there. Nothing makes sense and their wish is to destroy anything that does. I'm no longer opening the gates for them. Tomorrow I'm voting straight Republican. Is there a better Democrat for this or that? Probably. But during this party crisis of stupidity they're having, I have to protect my sane values and rights before they're amended by the snowflakes. Grow a pair or get out of the way.

 

[Sigblitz]

When making the right decisions, some people are going to get slighted. It's for the greater good.

 

[printcraft]

If someone were actually physically threatening you, I would agree.

Mean words? Even words that speak of violence but are not actually a physical threat to you?

We should be better than to whine about that.

It's moved beyond mean words and it's only going to get nastier... No reason other than political affiliation but guess what happens...

https://alphanewsmn.com/video-antifa-assaults-people-leaving-trump-rally-and-harasses-police/

Anybody from the "right" showing up at a beto or bernie rally and assaulting the attendees?

 

[JettaKnight]

Don't lump me in with pro Trump conservatives - majority here on INGO. I'm politically homeless. Crazy that you can hold ideas that don't neatly fit one political party.

IKR. Not all of INGO #AlwaysTrump.

It is interesting that no one mentioned you or eluded to folk like you and you came in with your usual anti sentiment.

Sorry, I had a lot of work to do this morning.

Oh, they hate you too because in their eyes you are useless, they can't count on you for a vote so you don't matter. They don't want fence sitters.

Nor does INGO, it seems.

Even if you aren't a "pro Trump conservative," how could you possibly side with the anti-gun socialism that is today's democrat?

And this is why the middle has no home. Perhaps it's time for a centrist party or something.

What percent of the left do you think irredeemably down this path?

Wait, you mean not all leftist act like militant a$$hats? Are you saying that my political opponents are as varied and diverse as my tribe?

 

[printcraft]

Nor does INGO, it seems.

Were you not just condemning blankets?

I really don't care how Jludo votes or does not vote. I don't hate him for his choice even if it disagrees with mine.
The left loves choice as long as you agree with their choice.