The Nuclear Iran Situation

[ArcadiaGP]

Iran Calls Obama's 10-Year Demand In Nuclear Negotiations 'Unacceptable'

 

[ArcadiaGP]

WH says if nuke deal is reached with Iran it won't be a treaty subject to Senate ratification.

 

[Kutnupe14]

WH says if nuke deal is reached with Iran it won't be a treaty subject to Senate ratification.

Wat? I gotta see a link to believe that lunacy.

 

[T.Lex]

WH says if nuke deal is reached with Iran it won't be a treaty subject to Senate ratification.

Wait. What?

What would it be?

An executive decision to not enforce the Iran sanctions? If Congress hasn't passed any, then he might be right.

 

[femurphy77]

Wat? I gotta see a link to believe that lunacy.

The penalties in Obamacare for not having insurance aren't a "tax", why would this agreement be a "treaty"?

Not supporting it, just pointing out the thought pattern.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Wait. What?

What would it be?

An executive decision to not enforce the Iran sanctions? If Congress hasn't passed any, then he might be right.

Really? Well I guess I see your point if the sanctions weren't legislated.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Yeah, trying to get further info.

Here's the word from CBS White House News Correspondent Mark Knoller -

https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/575004632746967040

May be in response to this letter from Tom Cotton and 47 GOP Senators -

Tom Cotton explains | Power Line

 

[T.Lex]

Yeah, I can see some wiggle room that gets back to the fundamental structure of our nation. Congress can pass legislation, but it ultimately depends on the executive for enforcement.

If not legislation, then ... well, it actually makes me wonder what the basis WAS for Iran sanctions?!

 

[spencer rifle]

Same as for penalties against BP - executive fiat.

All nations might be "entitled" to equal weaponry, but not all are equally capable of controlling it or using it with discretion.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Apparently such a letter is "treason"

Bhahahahahahaa

https://twitter.com/MarkVogler/status/575010491459764224
https://twitter.com/Serpentine202/status/575012346520866817

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Apparently such a letter is "treason"

Bhahahahahahaa

https://twitter.com/MarkVogler/status/575010491459764224
https://twitter.com/Serpentine202/status/575012346520866817

Such an open letter is treasonous in the same measure as the Democrat-led Senate's not-so-secret communications with Communist Nicaragua in the 80's? Or is there a difference?

 

[Blackhawk2001]

While I agree in principle that nations have the right to arm themselves for their own self-defense, in the case of our current world situation, where it's not the threat of nation-states getting nuclear weapons, but the threat of them passing such weapons off to trans-national terrorists that is concerning. If the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Israelis, Pakistanis, Indians, Britain, or France launch a nuclear strike, the world will likely know from whence the strike emanated and be able to take definitive action. If terrorists have access to nuclear weapons and smuggle them into a foreign nation to be detonated - the culprit may be inferred but may not be proven. That the leading sponsor of terrorists in the world today might be in a position to do just that within even 10 years is like letting that crazy neighbor of yours point his shotgun at you and squeeze the trigger on an empty chamber; how often would you let him get away with it before you took the damned shotgun away from him? And if he'd been threatening to kill you and your family all along, what would possess you to let him point the shotgun at you in the first place?

 

[MisterChester]

Apparently such a letter is "treason"

Bhahahahahahaa

https://twitter.com/MarkVogler/status/575010491459764224
https://twitter.com/Serpentine202/status/575012346520866817

Treason? No. Sedition? Plausible.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

They're really running with the treason angle

Did 47 U.S. Senators Just Commit Treason By Attempting to Sabotage Iran Deal? - Bloomberg Politics

 

[Shadow8088]

Read the Iranian foreign minister's super passive aggressive response to Tom Cotton - Vox

 

[ArcadiaGP]

(We don't link to Vox in non-ironic ways)

 

[actaeon277]

They're really running with the treason angle

Did 47 U.S. Senators Just Commit Treason By Attempting to Sabotage Iran Deal? - Bloomberg Politics

If the Senators were Democrats, and the President a Republican, they'd be heroes.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

If the Senators were Democrats, and the President a Republican, they'd be heroes.

Yeah, Something like that. Perplexing.

 

[Shadow8088]

(We don't link to Vox in non-ironic ways)

then pick a different publication... his response doesn't change....

 

[actaeon277]

Yeah, Something like that.

Yup