Title IX vs Trans rights; who wins?

[HoughMade]

"Newspeak" "Transgender girls" in a purposefully inaccurate and leading term.

Let's be clear. It bans biological males as determined by their genetic code from competing in girls' sports.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

"Newspeak" "Transgender girls" in a purposefully inaccurate and leading term.

Let's be clear. It bans biological males as determined by their genetic code from competing in girls' sports.

Exactly. But now, apparently "gender" is a choice. Biology be damned.

 

[jamil]

Exactly. But now, apparently "gender" is a choice. Biology be damned.

Sex is biological, and I guess gender is too somewhat. Sex is male/female. Gender is masculine/feminine. Most men are masculine, most women are feminine, but sometimes either nature or nurture gets its wires crossed.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Sex is biological, and I guess gender is too somewhat. Sex is male/female. Gender is masculine/feminine. Most men are masculine, most women are feminine, but sometimes either nature or nurture gets its wires crossed.

But thanks to surgery and hormone treatments that line is being blurred. It's all mental illness if you ask me.

 

[churchmouse]

But thanks to surgery and hormone treatments that line is being blurred. It's all mental illness if you ask me.

Brother I have to agree. What a mess we have allowed.

 

[Karl-just-Karl]

Chosen pronouns, "woke" corporations, social engineering utilizing a principle that truth, morals, and reality are what each individual gets to decide for themselves... This is not sustainable. The current populist ideologies are pushing hard for this agenda and even use it as virtue signaling. Corporations and media are shoveling this manure as fast as they can to capture market share.

We are a society destroying itself with this kind of individualism. If rules, values, morals and truths are to be determined on an individual basis then there is no society. No social construct, no social order, no social agreement on what words mean or what benefits society, a nation or a group as a whole. Society, will deteriorate until a new authority is put into place to create order.

Our weakness (as a society) will beg (already is) for a ruler to define what is real and how we need to behave. Not how we should behave based upon a shared code or moral principle that benefits society as a group, but how we should behave to not offend or ostracize anyone who wishes to not be part of an agreed upon/shared code.

Game Over friends.

Where's that link to the song, "Am I the only one?"

 

[churchmouse]

Chosen pronouns, "woke" corporations, social engineering utilizing a principle that truth, morals, and reality are what each individual gets to decide for themselves... This is not sustainable. The current populist ideologies are pushing hard for this agenda and even use it as virtue signaling. Corporations and media are shoveling this manure as fast as they can to capture market share.

We are a society destroying itself with this kind of individualism. If rules, values, morals and truths are to be determined on an individual basis then there is no society. No social construct, no social order, no social agreement on what words mean or what benefits society, a nation or a group as a whole. Society, will deteriorate until a new authority is put into place to create order.

Our weakness (as a society) will beg (already is) for a ruler to define what is real and how we need to behave. Not how we should behave based upon a shared code or moral principle that benefits society as a group, but how we should behave to not offend or ostracize anyone who wishes to not be part of an agreed upon/shared code.

Game Over friends.

Where's that link to the song, "Am I the only one?"

Karl, you don’t post a lot but when you do it is spot on to what ever topic you are responding to. Your post says what I feel and have been for years.
Game over.

 

[Karl-just-Karl]

Karl, you don’t post a lot but when you do it is spot on to what ever topic you are responding to. Your post says what I feel and have been for years.
Game over.

Thanks CM. It helps to know that maybe I am not completely nuts.

I don't want to see this happen, but I believe that we have gone too far to turn this around without some... major changes. Major changes that are gonna hurt and suck for everyone.

 

[printcraft]

"Newspeak" "Transgender girls" in a purposefully inaccurate and leading term.

"Transgender girl" ... accidental double negative?
Isn't that just another way of acknowledging it's a "boy"?

 

[Shadow01]

What are nontran's sports? And FTR, I agree completely with this bill.

Sports that have been setup to allow only natural women or natural men. I still believe allowing trans to ruin women’s sports is the most efficient way to put an end to the madness. Allow trans to create an entire new group that will be completely against their movement.

 

[Shadow01]

Exactly. But now, apparently "gender" is a choice. Biology be damned.

If it is a choice determined by the mind, why is the mind incapable of making the permanent biological body changes that they are thinking of?

 

[ghuns]

Just determine the average hormone levels of males and females. An athlete who maintains the appropriate hormone levels for a year (or however long the medical community says is necessary to provide equality) can compete as that gender. This will also address any unusual endocrine conditions which might result in skewed hormone levels among apparently normal males and females.

No.

No amount of estrogen given to a person who went through puberty as a male will ever make them female.

Look at the swimmer at the center of this BS. "She" is a dude. Tall, broad shouldered, narrow hips. All that is thanks to male puberty. It can't be undone. Cut off the junk, add some breast implants, load up on estrogen, it don't matter.

You still have the musculoskeletal system of a man.

 

[Ingomike]

But thanks to surgery and hormone treatments that line is being blurred. It's all mental illness if you ask me.

They can’t change your chromosomes, that is the constant.

 

[Ingomike]

This has to go here too…

 

[bwframe]

 

[Timjoebillybob]

No.

No amount of estrogen given to a person who went through puberty as a male will ever make them female.

Look at the swimmer at the center of this BS. "She" is a dude. Tall, broad shouldered, narrow hips. All that is thanks to male puberty. It can't be undone. Cut off the junk, add some breast implants, load up on estrogen, it don't matter.

You still have the musculoskeletal system of a man.

Men also generally have larger hands/feet compared to a same sized female. Which help a lot in swimming and other sports. Same with lung capacity.

 

[Ingomike]

Female Athletes Sound the Alarm About Trans Athletes in Women’s Sports

townhall.com

 

[actaeon277]

Female Athletes Sound the Alarm About Trans Athletes in Women’s Sports

townhall.com

Until everyone STOPS clapping for the BRAVE person, just to make them feel loved/wanted...

 

[Ingomike]

Christian school leaves girls basketball tournament after refusing to face trans player

A girls high school basketball team in Vermont withdrew from the state tournament because it refused to play against another team that had a transgender player.

wset.com

 

[XMil]

We are a society destroying itself with this kind of individualism. If rules, values, morals and truths are to be determined on an individual basis then there is no society. No social construct, no social order, no social agreement on what words mean or what benefits society, a nation or a group as a whole. Society, will deteriorate until a new authority is put into place to create order.

I came to say something else, but I found this interesting. Wasn't one of the key ideas behind the founding of this country "individual liberty"? The idea that in individual has the supreme right to self determination. The following quote is from the Center for Live and Liberty, I don't know anything about them, so if they are some extremist group, I apologize. The quote sums up what I wanted to say better than what I was coming up with:

"Individual liberty, religious and otherwise, was the primary reason the Pilgrims and others undertook the arduous and dangerous voyage to these shores some four hundred years ago. It is also the foundation for our system of government as designed by the Founders, despite recent attempts to subvert it."




What I wanted to say is about sports. Forgetting the hot button issue, is sex the best way to split up people for sports? Sports is mostly about genetic freaks. Elijah Wood from Lord of the Rings is 5'5 and weighs 141 lbs. Even if he had great athletic ability he would still have no chance in the WNBA let alone the regular NBA. Is that fair?