If what you desire is that by designating them as a domestic terrorist group there are additional law enforcement measures and charges that can be brought against rioters, I wholeheartedly agree with you and I am hoping I am wrong and you are right. But I haven't found anything that says designating/classifying a group as domestic terrorists brings any additional measures/charges to the table the same as it would when the president designated the Rev. Guard as Terrorists.
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And did you read the document in the footnote to that article? It's pretty clear that they (FBI) are describing them as domestic terrorists.
https://vault.fbi.gov/Weather Under...her Underground (Weathermen) Part 1 of 6/view
We're in agreement here for sure.
Which footnote is that attached to and what portion are you citing?
From wikipedia:
footnote 5:
In that article, domestic terrorism only appears once, in the following:
If you read what I have said repeatedly, I am talking about a distinction in the law not what label is attached to someone. Yes they did describe them as such. I believe, however, that when Trump calls ANTIFA a domestic terrorist group it really is nothing more than a label. It does not have the same ramifications as when he designated the Iranian Rev. Guard as a terrorist group. The first is a label, the second has teeth. I am glad he called them that, I have said the same.
So if just calling them domestic terrorists is satisfactory then sure, I agree with that. However, I would rather there be teeth to it. I like what a poster said in another thread about applying RICO to ANTIFA. If that could stick that would be great.
I only read the footnote with the phrase you originally posted about "classifying.."
From wikipedia:
footnote 5:
In that article, domestic terrorism only appears once, in the following:
If you read what I have said repeatedly, I am talking about a distinction in the law not what label is attached to someone. Yes they did describe them as such. I believe, however, that when Trump calls ANTIFA a domestic terrorist group it really is nothing more than a label. It does not have the same ramifications as when he designated the Iranian Rev. Guard as a terrorist group. The first is a label, the second has teeth. I am glad he called them that, I have said the same.
So if just calling them domestic terrorists is satisfactory then sure, I agree with that. However, I would rather there be teeth to it. I like what a poster said in another thread about applying RICO to ANTIFA. If that could stick that would be great.
I only read the footnote with the phrase you originally posted about "classifying.."
The other link I posted (which was found in the footnote link that you posted from the wiki):
https://vault.fbi.gov/Weather%20Unde...%20of%206/view
It has actual FBI documents describing them as terrorists.
Measures. Yes. Charges. No. According to the PATRIOT act designating them as domestic terrorists allows the FBI to use investigative tools that would not be available to them otherwise. For example, wiretapping, seizures, etcetera. So through the use of these tools they can discover crimes committed, for example, conspiring to engage in domestic terrorism, which it seems obviously that's what's been happening nationwide. They're trying to make it look like the violence is coming from grassroots level. And it's not.
The press doesn't seem to be covering this honestly. They're competently knocking down straw men.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/minnes...-paint-rounds-at-citizens-on-their-porch/amp/
A glimpse into what a police state would look like. Military convoy going down a residential street in Minneapolis shooting people for the crime of standing on their own front porches. Of all the stuff going on over this last week this one really bothers me. That could have been you or me, regardless of what side of any issue we stand on, being assaulted on our own property.
A glimpse into what a police state would look like. Military convoy going down a residential street in Minneapolis shooting people for the crime of standing on their own front porches. Of all the stuff going on over this last week this one really bothers me. That could have been you or me, regardless of what side of any issue we stand on, being assaulted on our own property.
Again, you should look at the PATRIOT act. It changes the definition of "terrorism" to include domestic terrorism. I think it was designed for homegrown Islamic terrorism, but the language certainly applies to groups like Antifa, or even white nationalists groups which engage in domestic terrorism. Even the ACLU was concerned that the definition was broad enough that Greenpeace would meet the definition of domestic terrorists, which they are. Same with groups that support abortion clinic bombings, or any group which uses violence to achieve political goals.
While I agree it's troubling, saying that they're "shooting people" is a bit hyperbolic. They're shooting them with paintballs, like people shoot each other with on purpose. Now if they were using live rounds or even pepper balls that would be more worrisome (live rounds especially).
And that's really the crux of the ANTIFA issue. That's one of the textbook definitions of terrorism.
When it's a game, with the proper PPE...
More than a few idiotic teenage boys have been known to shoot each other with BB guns and most of them have probably never even heard of PPE. Most seem to have enough sense to have a no ball, either eye or groin, shot rule though. For better or worse, most of them seem to survive and procreate.
Using the military to quell rioting isn't turning out to be all that popular
Mike Mullen
https://www.foxnews.com/media/mike-mullen-sickened-washington-dc-protest-action
Mad Dog
https://www.foxnews.com/media/ari-fleischer-mattis-reached-breaking-point-trump
Mike Esper
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/esper-announces-he-opposes-using-insurrection-act-to-send-military
Mike Mullen
https://www.foxnews.com/media/mike-mullen-sickened-washington-dc-protest-action
Mad Dog
https://www.foxnews.com/media/ari-fleischer-mattis-reached-breaking-point-trump
Mike Esper
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/esper-announces-he-opposes-using-insurrection-act-to-send-military
I refuse to engage these users that have member dates from 10 years ago but 12 posts. There have been a slew of them lately stirring the pot. It is either an old member of the past with a bunch of throwaway user names or a small group with throwaway user names. I believe they are trouble...
Does posting that make you feel better? I bought an INGO t-shirt at the 1500 fairgrounds booth a few years ago which I still occasionally wear. Pat yourself on the back, i’m done with this section of the forum. Going back go just reading gun reviews and advice on here. Congrats on your two year membership anniversary to the site by the way.
Don't let the electronic door hit you in the ass on the way out. We'll try to console each other about our loss
Edit: Given Mike's average rate of contribution (3680 for two years, a bit over 5/day) he likely exceeded your total 'contribution' to the site on his third day
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