Union Busting or Consumer Demand? Winchester moves from IL to MISS

[ATF Consumer]

This move is not about retail price. It's about increasing profit, at the workers expence.

I can bet you that once the plant moves, they will actually employ more workers than they were able to hire in IL.

 

[Fireaxes]

Look at it this way, these people worked for years and fought for what they have gotten so far. Now they are being told if you want a job you will have to give everything up. Do you really think they want to lose there jobs? As gun owners we should be taking note of how these people are sticking together. Once you give something up, they just want to take more and more.

How about the GOV says, if you just give up your semi-autos, you can keep the rest of your guns. Now that would be worth it right? Why wouldn't you? You still get to keep the rest of your guns right? We need to think about keeping the public safe. You would stupid not to vote yes and lose all your guns. Sound silly? Just change a few words to already negotiated wages and benefits, and profits instead of guns and public safety.

If you have never been on any side of a union contract talk, you really have no idea of what goes on. It can get preety stupid on both sides.

 

[Life Member]

If no one here is buying it at the current price, how will the move help sales if the price stays the same. The worker gets screwed again and you make it out to be OK

 

[pudly]

Since production cost is going to be less,
does that mean we can expect a price drop on their firearms?

That should equate to more sales, and further cost reductions of manufacturing.

Depends. There are basically three possible business situations:

1. They were already making a profit and won't be lowering prices which results in higher profits, but not increasing market share.
2. They were already making a profit and want to lower costs so that they can lower prices and gain market share.
3. They either were losing money or could see that costs were going in the wrong direction and had to make this move for pure survival.

I can't really say which case this is based on what I read, but it is by no means assured that they will be lowering costs. In all cases, the company should be in better financial shape and better able to survive long term.

 

[melensdad]

The worker gets screwed again and you make it out to be OK

The jobs stay in America and new employees are happy. The only workers who are "screwed" are those that are no longer competitive and are over-charging for their labor and under-delivering their productivity.

You make it out to be OK that they can charge more than they are worth. Why?

 

[Que]

I was more thinking one of the reasons it went to Oxford instead of Indiana or anywhere else was because there is a Winchester factory already there

Yep, we are saying the same thing.

 

[Life Member]

Two out of three are greed driven

 

[irishfan]

The jobs stay in America and new employees are happy. The only workers who are "screwed" are those that are no longer competitive and are over-charging for their labor and under-delivering their productivity.

You make it out to be OK that they can charge more than they are worth. Why?

So the price WILL be coming down then? If the workers were over-charging and now you have lower employee costs then the ammo will cost less correct? If the price doesn't go down then that just means Winchester is screwing people by paying lower wages and still charging high prices.

 

[malern28us]

So the price WILL be coming down then? If the workers were over-charging and now you have lower employee costs then the ammo will cost less correct? If the price doesn't go down then that just means Winchester is screwing people by paying lower wages and still charging high prices.

The screwing happens everywhere. Have you seen an ER visit bill or hospital bill lately? Do you think the hospital is out the 18k they charge you for a heart cath or 100k for a pacemaker?

 

[ATF Consumer]

Two out of three are greed driven

Greed is not always a bad thing...but it certainly is demonized in the wrong context in a free market.

 

[Fireaxes]

Greed at the top or the rank and file simply trying to earn a living?

 

[Life Member]

Mabey Obama's right, tax the hell out of the top 2%

 

[ATF Consumer]

Sounds like another good read would be Atlas Shrugged.

 

[ATF Consumer]

Business owners (employers) have to have some sort of incentive (greed/profit) in order to keep factories open to even provide jobs for employees. Take away incentive, take away jobs.

 

[jdl357]

A while back I stocked up on WWB 100 ct 9mm. I noticed it was made in Illinois. I really like the ammo, clean, consistent, good price. I hope this does not change with this move. Maybe I'll buy another case before it is gone.

 

[indykid]

Will someone please explain to melensdad that Mississippi is part of the United States? The argument that foreign labor is less then US DOES NOT APPLY. Constantly talking about imported ammo prices DOES NOT APPLY.

Last I checked, moving from Illinois to Mississippi is not moving out of the United States of America.

 

[Life Member]

Business owners (employers) have to have some sort of incentive (greed/profit) in order to keep factories open to even provide jobs for employees. Take away incentive, take away jobs.

take avantage of the employee when ever you get a chance. Needed or not!!

 

[ATF Consumer]

take avantage of the employee when ever you get a chance. Needed or not!!

Last time I checked, employment is a voluntary action...otherwise it would be called slavery.

 

[Expat]

Mabey Obama's right, tax the hell out of the top 2%

Yeah, buddy, You got that right. in fact we should just confiscate all the property from those greedy bloodsuckers that own factories or other businesses. That would sure help the economy.

 

[ATF Consumer]

Employees are not really hired by employers...they actually sell there services to the employer for a negotiated fee.