Vickers charged...

[Route 45]

 

[Leadeye]

Saw a similar thing happen to Roger Cox.

 

[Aszerigan]

Smart people sometimes do stupid stuff.

Any SOT knows that if you get a "love letter," you DO THE DEMO. First rule of getting LE letters.

I have nothing against the guy, but he knew what he was doing. No way to hide it. Play stupid games (especially with the ATF and DOJ)...

 

[Aszerigan]

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Dude..... that's harsh. I love it !

 

[Angrysauce]

He's a true American for importing "illegal" arms against this tyrannical government. My only disappointment is how easily he rolled over for them.

Cancer and old age do that to you.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

It's the illegal importation ring part.
Importing parts kit and parts of dubious orgin has long been a common grey-area practice, in many cases allowed by inaction on the Feds part. He didn't import an AK12 he imported a parts kit, he's facing 20 years for that.

If you want to argue with me about something, at least read the something.

 

[Angrysauce]

If you want to argue with me about something, at least read the something.

Conveniently left out the entire second half of the document. Stupid or intellectually dishonest?

He's being railroaded for import of parts and intellectual property and MAKING YOUTUBE VIDEOS. *Gasp*
The IEEPA charge makes up the vast majority of the of the potential sentence and is ********.

 

[Angrysauce]

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Wonder why you didnt post pages 5 through 10

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.....It amazes me that guys that have so much, think that they are above the law, or don't think they'll get caught... Vickers HAD a good reputation and business....now he will be known for trying to skirt the law, no matter how stupid the law..."Repeal the Hughes Amendment!!"

The Founding Fathers should have obeyed the law as well, right?

 

[Cameramonkey]

The Founding Fathers should have obeyed the law as well, right?

It’s only treason if you lose.

 

[Creedmoor]

Cancer and old age do that to you.

Nope, Greed does it.
A few in Md in the last 20 years have done the NFA stupid Dance. The big ones before had business's in Silver Spring and Annapolis. Im sure Andy remembers them.

 

[drillsgt]

He needed Hunter Biden's lawyers.

 

[manifest destiny]

Greed was certainly part of the thought process when the parts/pieces/guns were sold. The police chiefs also probably thought they were in the fold and immune to the system. Given the chiefs participated in this, what else might these upstanding police chiefs have participated in? The sentences being discussed seem disproportionate to the crimes alleged.

 

[I Invented the Internet]

It's all over for Larry and his cohorts. Sucks that such laws exist, and when some people think they can weasel their way around them, it subsequently sucks that said people have to be prosecuted over said laws that should've never been laws to begin with. It is what it is.

 

[Destro]

Wonder why you didnt post pages 5 through 10

Because of your failure to disclose that aspect of the charges

 

[Angrysauce]

Because of your failure to disclose that aspect of the charges

I dunno I vaguely remember being told,
"If you want to argue with me about something, at least read the something. ", before someone dirty deleted it.

 

[bwframe]

 

[BigMoose]

For better or for worse, Larry did have some curious connections in Russia.

Round about 10 years ago, he had enough pull with the right people over there to get him into places westerners just were not let into, let alone to film. They let him shoot some absolute Unicorn guns that the west had just not seen.



he also has a PSM pistol, and pretty much Explained how he skirted import laws to get it in the USA

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I dunno I vaguely remember being told,
"If you want to argue with me about something, at least read the something. ", before someone dirty deleted it.

Not sure what you're on about now, nothing was deleted. Post #46 suggested you read it, which you should probably still do if you're stuck on it's a few NFA items and some youtubes.

For those who can read, a nice summary lifted from another forum so I'm not reinventing the wheel:

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Initially the Feds thought what they had was a gun running scheme. This evolved passed that to using demo letters to facilitate gun running and enhancing private collections. Looking at who was giving out the demo letters led the Feds to focus on Vickers and his corrupt cop buddies. Most of the time the guns were never even sent to Vickers. They were sent to a guy in AZ who had rich buddies. Vickers was one of the FFLs the importer used to use demo letters to get import permits.

How the investigation went down:

In 2020 a guy in AZ got popped for having an NFA item that wasn’t on the registry. They conducted a search warrant, and found out this guy in AZ was actively selling guns without an FFL. Many of these guns were unique/rare. One item found during the search warrant was a whole bunch of communication between the guy in AZ and an importer in MD (Sullivan). One of those conversations, was about how Sullivan could import an MR 308 rifle, they guy in AZ would sell it private party for a huge markup, and Sullivan and the AZ guy would split the profits from the sale. Investigators looked at the import permits and saw that Sullivan had gotten the permits because of a purchase order and demo letter provided by Vickers. The purchase order and demo letters spec’d a whole bunch of rifles, including multiple MR 308 rifles, and 1 G28 rifle. None of these could be imported without a demo letter. Things got funny when they looked at the form filed by Sullivan where he claimed that MR 308 rifle in possession by the guy in AZ was marked as a G28 rifle on the import forms. That was because Sullivan had already imported all the MR 308 rifles allowed on his permit, sold him through his guy in AZ (who didn’t have an FFL), but still could import a G28 which looked like an MR 308. So, if Sullivan called it an MR 308, he couldn’t import it, but if he called it a G28, he could import it and resell it illegally through his guy in AZ who had rich buyers lined up.

So, the feds now knew that Sullivan was actively importing rifles via demo letters for the purpose of reselling them. Sullivan was using Vickers, and another FFL out of New Mexico to get the demo letters. Vickers used a police chief with a 1 man dept and another police chief with a 7 man dept to get demo letters. Some of the demo letters were for ridiculous things like a MAG 58. Things obvious a tiny police department wouldn’t use. They also found that there Sullivan would immediately list some of the imported items (obtained via demo letters) on gun forums the day after they were imported. Some of those items were worth over $100K. So that launched the search warrant for Vickers and the cops doing the demo letters for him.

Once the feds got a look at Vickers communications, that is how they found out about all the Russia stuff. He was working with another US person on behalf of a sanctioned Russian company to start up a front company in the US that would actually be Kalashnikov Concern on US soil. The other US person was going to be CEO, and Vickers was going to be a Director and the public face of the company. They were going to bring in a guy from Russia to be the head of engineering, as well as blueprints and other sorts of stuff needed to get things started. The sanctioned people back in Russia were raising the funds to start the company, gave Vickers shares in the company, and started paying Vickers monthly. They also hired Vickers to come out to Russia and do all those promo video’s he did back in 2015 on his Youtube channel. All of this was an attempt to get around sanctions, Vickers was clearly in on it. During this whole time, he was also smuggling parts from Russia in for his own personal use. Sometimes he would have a guy in Switzerland get parts from Russia, cut them up and send them to the US where he had another guy assemble them."

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Supposedly IRS criminal investigations is involved as well. If that's true it means you're looking at a *floor* of some $500k or so. A few hundred k doesn't warrant their attention, only the civil guys.

My guess is Vickers' lawyers understood the value of he who talks first walks first when it comes to fed investigations, and he took a deal in exchange for cooperation. I'd be surprised, but not roll on the floor shocked, if he doesn't get a real nice deal and the original targets eat most of the poo sandwich they made for themselves.

 

[mark40sw]

He needed Hunter Biden's lawyers.

If joe biden was his father, nothing would have happened to him.