What happens when Trump wins?

[JettaKnight]

Paraphrasing Churchill, "they must be picked like a malignant sore and cast from the face of the earth".

Can I get an official ruling about Goodwin's Law here?

Win an election? Not this time. Ballot harvesting, mail in voting, dead people voting 2 or more times and who knows what other types of fraud will be used. The losing side will be at the doorstep of SCOTUS before midnight. They will have to make a decision as neither side will concede.

If you think the Left is nuts now, wait. IF Trump is re-elected it will be bare knuckle crazy.

If Biden wins, will there be a never ending cacophony about vote rigging?

 

[spec4]

My post refers to a comment Churchill made about Japan after Germany surrendered. Don't see any Nazi involvement.

 

[Spyco]

It's simple. Address their grievances. Don't have to address all of them, but enough to get the crowd to die down. Violent protests or riots, whatever you want to call it, happen when trying to get grievances addressed peacefully have failed. No changes by businesses to help, no real change by the government to help. So you do what any group does when they feel they are not being heard. Here's a hint: the US did this back in 1776. You start being violent and getting the government to over step its authority. You make it so the local populace sides with the protesters over the Fed. And when the Fed does crackdown, it never ends well for the Fed.

At the bare minimum, the issue of the police needs to be addressed. This includes brutality, the ability for cops to dodge the law, and the grossly inflated police budgets going towards training and culture that involves solving all problems with a gun. The rest can get sidelined for all I care, but these protests going on currently, if allowed to go into the election, will expand onto more grievances making it harder to quell.

But with your world view, I don't think that would be enough for you. I think you would like to have them all rounded up and placed in concentration camps. I bet you would love to be apart of the crackdown playing soldier boy. You are by far not someone I would call a patriot. More like someone who is more self serving than helping others.

Your type is going to be, unwittingly, the downfall of the country, and you are too short sighted to see it.

 

[JettaKnight]

My post refers to a comment Churchill made about Japan after Germany surrendered. Don't see any Nazi involvement.

Huh. I just figured he was talking about Germany.



I guess I learned something new.



EDIT: seeing how this thread is going, I'm out.

 

[spec4]

You have no idea what my world view is. For the record, I didn't play soldier boy, I was a member of the US Army for three years. Did you serve? I doubt it. I'll let it go there as I have a policy of not engaging liberals.

 

[indyjs]

Still no vice president for Biden ? Especially being old and frail and likely not finishing the term. Let's see- the VP becomes prez and who again becomes the new VP ?

 

[jamil]

"Silent majority"

C’mon man. They are as real as unicorns. There’s a photograph floating around of Churchmouse feeding his ice cream cone to one. So we know they’re real.

 

[2A_Tom]

 

[Route 45]

It's simple. Address their grievances. Don't have to address all of them, but enough to get the crowd to die down. Violent protests or riots, whatever you want to call it, happen when trying to get grievances addressed peacefully have failed. No changes by businesses to help, no real change by the government to help. So you do what any group does when they feel they are not being heard. Here's a hint: the US did this back in 1776. You start being violent and getting the government to over step its authority. You make it so the local populace sides with the protesters over the Fed. And when the Fed does crackdown, it never ends well for the Fed.

At the bare minimum, the issue of the police needs to be addressed. This includes brutality, the ability for cops to dodge the law, and the grossly inflated police budgets going towards training and culture that involves solving all problems with a gun. The rest can get sidelined for all I care, but these protests going on currently, if allowed to go into the election, will expand onto more grievances making it harder to quell.

But with your world view, I don't think that would be enough for you. I think you would like to have them all rounded up and placed in concentration camps. I bet you would love to be apart of the crackdown playing soldier boy. You are by far not someone I would call a patriot. More like someone who is more self serving than helping others.

Your type is going to be, unwittingly, the downfall of the country, and you are too short sighted to see it.

I am not in favor of rounding up the radical Marxist agitators who are driving the rioting, burning and destruction and putting them in camps.

I would rather we just shoot them.

If the downfall of this country comes to be, it will be, like always, because of weak-willed men with attitudes like yours, who want to appease those who will not be appeased.

Listen to what their leaders say. They are telling you what they really want, if you are not too scared and stupid to hear it. It has nothing to do with police brutality or black lives.

 

[BugI02]

It's simple. Address their grievances. Don't have to address all of them, but enough to get the crowd to die down. Violent protests or riots, whatever you want to call it, happen when trying to get grievances addressed peacefully have failed. No changes by businesses to help, no real change by the government to help. So you do what any group does when they feel they are not being heard. Here's a hint: the US did this back in 1776. You start being violent and getting the government to over step its authority. You make it so the local populace sides with the protesters over the Fed. And when the Fed does crackdown, it never ends well for the Fed.

[We don't negotiate with terrorists, you don't petition for redress by burning or looting or murdering]

At the bare minimum, the issue of the police needs to be addressed. This includes brutality, the ability for cops to dodge the law, and the grossly inflated police budgets going towards training and culture that involves solving all problems with a gun. The rest can get sidelined for all I care, but these protests going on currently, if allowed to go into the election, will expand onto more grievances making it harder to quell.

[If you really want to see all problems solved with a gun, defund the police (or spend a weekend on Chicagos southeast side)]

But with your world view, I don't think that would be enough for you. I think you would like to have them all rounded up and placed in concentration camps. I bet you would love to be apart of the crackdown playing soldier boy. You are by far not someone I would call a patriot. More like someone who is more self serving than helping others.

Your type is going to be, unwittingly, the downfall of the country, and you are too short sighted to see it.

[I disagree. We'll be bailing your ass out of the jam hoping the crocodile eats you last gets you into]

 

[sheepdog697]

My guess is what your seeing in the leftist cities with riots and all that B.S. except worse. Hope I’m wrong.

 

[NKBJ]

A jacobin revolution is not going to be stopped without stomping it out.
Why don't people get this?

 

[Liberty Sanders]

...training and culture that involves solving all problems with a gun.

As a retired cop I can attest that no such training or culture has ever existed in American law enforcement.

 

[actaeon277]

My Social Justice DIL has this fear that Trump will lose the election but won't accept the results and refuse to vacate the office. I know she got this notion from the social media sources she follows but I still just shake my head in disbelief that the TDS people think that is within his character as a person. I don't see him as a Maduro.

Ask her which side was it that couldn't accept the results of the last election.

 

[jwamplerusa]

The preceding "Polls" came from a site named Slashdot.org The site is a technology / coder focused news and events forum with what I would characterize as an obvious but mild liberal progressive bias. (think 80 - 90's Democrats, not AOC) I am not suggesting the percentages shown have any national relevance, but on an election cycle to election cycle basis I am concerned they show the current trend among the electorate.

Frankly, the polls scare me.

I sincerely hope the RNC and the Trump campaign pull out all the stops SHOWING the socialist / communist influence and platform the current Democrat party is running on.

I am urging everyone I know to VOTE! I am increasingly concerned that with the Chicomm flu about and our governments reaction to it, many will be dissuaded from voting.

 

[jamil]

This time around Trump likely wont get the Bernie vote. That helped him win the key battleground states in 2016.

 

[Ziggidy]

If Trump wins, all hell will break loose. If Trump loses, all hell will break loose.

All by the same people.

 

[BrettonJudy7]

It's simple. Address their grievances. Don't have to address all of them, but enough to get the crowd to die down. Violent protests or riots, whatever you want to call it, happen when trying to get grievances addressed peacefully have failed. No changes by businesses to help, no real change by the government to help. So you do what any group does when they feel they are not being heard. Here's a hint: the US did this back in 1776. You start being violent and getting the government to over step its authority. You make it so the local populace sides with the protesters over the Fed. And when the Fed does crackdown, it never ends well for the Fed.

At the bare minimum, the issue of the police needs to be addressed. This includes brutality, the ability for cops to dodge the law, and the grossly inflated police budgets going towards training and culture that involves solving all problems with a gun. The rest can get sidelined for all I care, but these protests going on currently, if allowed to go into the election, will expand onto more grievances making it harder to quell.

But with your world view, I don't think that would be enough for you. I think you would like to have them all rounded up and placed in concentration camps. I bet you would love to be apart of the crackdown playing soldier boy. You are by far not someone I would call a patriot. More like someone who is more self serving than helping others.

Your type is going to be, unwittingly, the downfall of the country, and you are too short sighted to see it.

I have some agreements with, and disagreements with this thread.

The issue of police brutality should have always been the absolute main focus of all of the protests. It is not just a "black issue" it is with all citizens. We as 2A supporters should already know how we have targets on our backs just because we own firearms. When Duncan Lemp was murdered, I was outraged! When George Floyd was murderd, I was outraged! Initially I supported the protests. We should be protesting the over stepping of legality by some (not all) police departments, but it seems there should be some wide spread reform in our policing system. That being said, what is good for one city, is not good for every city.

Living in Indianapolis, I understand why some IMPD officers are a bit more hesitant to treat you like a buddy. Growing up in Greenfield however, there is no reason why GPD should treat me like I'm transporting drugs when they pull me over for speeding.
I agree that there must be better training, and there must be more consistent training for local law enforcement.

That being said, the protests have shifted in messaging. What was once about police violence, is now about soemthing completely different. The people who were protesting in Indianapolis in late May, were no longer the same individuals who were protesting in mid June. Their messaging has changed, and they are no longer protesting for change in policy.

These are still Americans though. They have been indoctrinated by our public schools, public colleges etc. If we want these people to change their world view, it starts with early education.

 

[2A_Tom]

I have some agreements with, and disagreements with this thread.

The issue of police brutality should have always been the absolute main focus of all of the protests. It is not just a "black issue" it is with all citizens. We as 2A supporters should already know how we have targets on our backs just because we own firearms. When Duncan Lemp was murdered, I was outraged! When George Floyd was murderd, I was outraged! Initially I supported the protests. We should be protesting the over stepping of legality by some (not all) police departments, but it seems there should be some wide spread reform in our policing system. That being said, what is good for one city, is not good for every city.

Living in Indianapolis, I understand why some IMPD officers are a bit more hesitant to treat you like a buddy. Growing up in Greenfield however, there is no reason why GPD should treat me like I'm transporting drugs when they pull me over for speeding.
I agree that there must be better training, and there must be more consistent training for local law enforcement.

That being said, the protests have shifted in messaging. What was once about police violence, is now about soemthing completely different. The people who were protesting in Indianapolis in late May, were no longer the same individuals who were protesting in mid June. Their messaging has changed, and they are no longer protesting for change in policy.

These are still Americans though. They have been indoctrinated by our public schools, public colleges etc. If we want these people to change their world view, it starts with early education.

As a 2A advocate and an OCer I had many encounters with uninformed police officers between eight and ten years ago. I was always polite and informative and always persuaded them to abide by the law. I have not met an officer in many years that was poorly informed about civilian gun laws.

I don't get pulled over often, but a couple years ago y tags ran out and I had to wait for them to be mailed to me. In that time I was stopped twice. Both officers were aware I was carrying and neither had a problem with it.

My advice to you is, try not to get pulled over, but if you do, know the IC inside out upside down and backwards. Knowledge is like a virus It spreads like wildfire. Once you inoculate a few officers in your area with good information the situation will change.

Police officers are trained in IC. The IC that is reviewed strictky concerns what is against the law. They most likely never got much instruction on what is legal.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. You need to be knowledgeable, patient and polite at all times and inoculate them with the truth.

 

[BrettonJudy7]

As a 2A advocate and an OCer I had many encounters with uninformed police officers between eight and ten years ago. I was always polite and informative and always persuaded them to abide by the law. I have not met an officer in many years that was poorly informed about civilian gun laws.

I don't get pulled over often, but a couple years ago y tags ran out and I had to wait for them to be mailed to me. In that time I was stopped twice. Both officers were aware I was carrying and neither had a problem with it.

My advice to you is, try not to get pulled over, but if you do, know the IC inside out upside down and backwards. Knowledge is like a virus It spreads like wildfire. Once you inoculate a few officers in your area with good information the situation will change.

Police officers are trained in IC. The IC that is reviewed strictky concerns what is against the law. They most likely never got much instruction on what is legal.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. You need to be knowledgeable, patient and polite at all times and inoculate them with the truth.

Of course I "try not to get pulled over". I'm not going to lie and say I don't speed from time to time. I've never been pulled over for anything other than speeding. I don't actively try to not get pulled over, but I do actively try to stay within the speed limit and sometimes I fail.

I appreciate your advice on inoculating with truth, however one must be willing to listen to truth in order to accept it. Maybe it's because most police officers are older than myself, but I've never even thought about trying to educate a police officer on IC. I always assumed that they would not listen to me, and that probably would not go over well for me.

When I first began carrying (about 6 years ago) I was pulled over on New Years eve night on my way to my cousins house. Presumably for speeding, but the officers involved never really gave me a reason. The officer came to my window, and a deputy on the other side. The first thing he asked me was if I had any firearms on me, to which I replied that I did. The officer asked if he could disarm me during our transaction, which I obliged. I was completely polite and did everything they asked me to. They got my out of the vehicle, instruced me to place my hands on my vehicle, and disarmed me. They then told me to sit tight while they went back to their car. A few minutes later they came back, placed my firearm in the backseat, unloaded, told me I was free to load it back up and carry as soon as they left. We had a friendly, and brief 45 second conversation about carrying guns, then the officer was on his way and so was I.

At the time I thought nothing about it. It seemed standard to me, but that is because I was still new to carrying. I look back on that now and ask myself a few questions. Why did they know to ask if I was carrying? What did they do when they went back to their vehicle? Check to see if it was stolen? Why did they even pull me over in the first place?

In that situation, would it have been better to try and reason with the officers on Indiana Code? Or just do as they told me?
I'm asking sincerely, because I don't know the right answer.