What happens when Trump wins?

[JettaKnight]

In that situation, would it have been better to try and reason with the officers on Indiana Code? Or just do as they told me?
I'm asking sincerely, because I don't know the right answer.

The roadside is a poor location for a debate on the law. - paraphrasing Mr. Freeman.

 

[BrettonJudy7]

The roadside is a poor location for a debate on the law. - paraphrasing Mr. Freeman.

My exact thinking.

 

[DMTJAGER]

Am I incorrect in thinking almost NO ONE here has read the stated political objectives of BLM and ANTIFA at their website that is by the way created maintained and funded by demacRATic party and more specifically Nancy Pelosi?

These people are for real. They are NOT rioters or protesters THEY SIMPLY ARE NOT. These are insurrectionist Marxist Bolsheviks hiding behind the entirely false tittle of protesters and rioters. The protesters are in fact the shield and conduit that allows the storm troopers of their Marxist Bolshevik movement to infiltrate into the communities unabated and then at a prearranged moment trigger riot and reek havoc and mayhem burning looting and terrorizing the populous into utter submission. This never has been ans never will be a real protest about anything it is a attempt to over throw the government disguised as a protest to protect them from justifiably being crushed as the domestic terrorists and insurrectionist Bolsheviks they truly are and should be dealt with no differently then any other enemy trying to use violence to over throw and destroy America.

It would be a simple task to first identify the primary leaders and those funding them, as we almost certainly know who they are already, arrest them try and if convicted lined up against wall and shot as all traitors and those guilty of treason against America should be. You need not do much to disband the rest as they are a mob. Find the ones that did serious crimes like arson, looting and assault especially assaulting officers try convict and imprison them. Tell the cities that the politicians allowed them to run amok in you are SOL on government tax payer funds to rebuild your burned out cities businesses and infrastructure so maybe next time riots start you will take necessary actions to stop it in it's tracks instead of adding ans abetting it.

If we can not use force to defeat an enemy he!! bent on the utter destruction of America especially one who has openly proclaimed their intentions to do so, then when do we as a nation take action against such lethally serious enemies?
These aren't bush-league fringe wacko's these people are VERY well funded, well organized and lead by people like George Sorros and our own government courtesy of the demacRATic party and our own tax payer $$$.

Refusing to take action against those attempting to violently over throw our nation because it is to contrary to our system of justice or because it might set a dangerous precedent is in of itself a dangerous precedent.

Some one please tel me I am wrong and this is not what is so painfully appears to ME be an attempt by radical socialist/communists/Marxists to violently over throw our nation with the complete support and financial backing of the demacRATic party, then what is it? And if it is as I believe it is exactly that and we STILL shouldn't take the needed actions to crush it utterly before it can have any chanced to succeed, then what does an enemy trying to destroy America, over throw our government, install a Tyrannical Soviet style communist Politburo form of government have to do to justify a reaction by the federal and state governments forceful enough to end it permanently and restore order to communities these groups have paralyzed with anarchy and terror?

 

[Route 45]

The roadside is a poor location for a debate on the law. - paraphrasing Mr. Freeman.

C'mon, don't you enjoy it when people try to condescendingly explain your job to you?

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[JettaKnight]

C'mon, don't you enjoy it when people try to condescendingly explain your job to you?

What could possibly go wrong?

Just make sure there's a video when the tazer is deployed.

 

[BrettonJudy7]

C'mon, don't you enjoy it when people try to condescendingly explain your job to you?

What could possibly go wrong?

Is it so crazy to think that a 21 year old (at the time of explained event) could peacefully explain law to a couple of middle aged officers? What could go wrong?

A lot would have gone wrong... Especially since at that time I wasn't even educated on the entirety of Indiana Code...

 

[JettaKnight]

Some one please tel me I am wrong

OK, you're wrong.

 

[BrettonJudy7]

Am I incorrect in thinking almost NO ONE here has read the stated political objectives of BLM and ANTIFA at their website that is by the way created maintained and funded by demacRATic party and more specifically Nancy Pelosi?

I understand your anxieties and concerns regarding this matter. I really do.

From my experience, the rioters and the protesters were on completely different sides, with completely different points of views and beliefs. My experience being limited to only Indiana of course. It's important that we seperate protestors from rioters, because they are different people.

As mentioned before, the original protestors were protesting for justice, and a reform in police violence. The current protestors are prostesting for... What are they protesting again??...

 

[BrettonJudy7]

OK, you're wrong.

 

[johny5]

I understand your anxieties and concerns regarding this matter. I really do.

From my experience, the rioters and the protesters were on completely different sides, with completely different points of views and beliefs. My experience being limited to only Indiana of course. It's important that we seperate protestors from rioters, because they are different people.

As mentioned before, the original protestors were protesting for justice, and a reform in police violence. The current protestors are prostesting for... What are they protesting again??...

That is their obligation, and they failing miserably at it.

 

[sempifi99]

Well, you know the mobs know are only demenstrations of what they want to do in the future.

Everyone just needs to protect themselves, their family and their property.

 

[BugI02]

I have some agreements with, and disagreements with this thread.

The issue of police brutality should have always been the absolute main focus of all of the protests. It is not just a "black issue" it is with all citizens. We as 2A supporters should already know how we have targets on our backs just because we own firearms. When Duncan Lemp was murdered, I was outraged! When George Floyd was murderd, I was outraged! Initially I supported the protests. We should be protesting the over stepping of legality by some (not all) police departments, but it seems there should be some wide spread reform in our policing system. That being said, what is good for one city, is not good for every city.

Living in Indianapolis, I understand why some IMPD officers are a bit more hesitant to treat you like a buddy. Growing up in Greenfield however, there is no reason why GPD should treat me like I'm transporting drugs when they pull me over for speeding.
I agree that there must be better training, and there must be more consistent training for local law enforcement.

That being said, the protests have shifted in messaging. What was once about police violence, is now about soemthing completely different. The people who were protesting in Indianapolis in late May, were no longer the same individuals who were protesting in mid June. Their messaging has changed, and they are no longer protesting for change in policy.

These are still Americans though. They have been indoctrinated by our public schools, public colleges etc. If we want these people to change their world view, it starts with early education.

I can't help but think that if you live in Tombstone you want an Earp or a Holliday as law enforcement. I'm not old enough to have a clear idea from personal experience of which came first, lawlessness or tough law enforcement, but I have my suspicions

 

[BrettonJudy7]

I can't help but think that if you live in Tombstone you want an Earp or a Holliday as law enforcement. I'm not old enough to have a clear idea from personal experience of which came first, lawlessness or tough law enforcement, but I have my suspicions

I would choose neither as Wyatt Earp embraced Chicago style unconstitutional gun laws.
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/03/gun-control-1881/#axzz6T2PgIiON

 

[BugI02]

Your cite

The court ruling in the preliminary hearing dismissed the charges but determined that Virgil Earp, “as chief of police” who relied on the assistance of his brother and Holliday to arrest and disarm the Clantons and McLaurys, “committed an injudicious and censurable act… and … acted incautiously and without due circumspection;” however, this was not criminally culpable given the state of affairs “incident to a frontier country,” “the supposed prevalence of bad, desperate and reckless men,” and the specific threats that had been made against the Earps.

Explain to me again how these protests don't contain 'bad, desperate and reckless men' or that there have been no specific threats to law enforcement or the general populace. Perhaps the Clantons and the McLaurys should have brought their complaint before the court prior to getting into an armed conflict with duly constituted enforcement (which they lost)

 

[2A_Tom]

I always forget my white, strongly built, older guy privilage.

I have never had a problem with telling someone they were wrong when they were wrong.

Follow Freeman's advice, he is a lawyer. I'm just a selfrighteous ******* that has won every time.

 

[BrettonJudy7]

Your cite
Explain to me again how these protests don't contain 'bad, desperate and reckless men' or that there have been no specific threats to law enforcement or the general populace. Perhaps the Clantons and the McLaurys should have brought their complaint before the court prior to getting into an armed conflict with duly constituted enforcement (which they lost)

The protests in the early stages did explicitly contain 'bad, desperate and reckless men'. They most certainly do now.

Taken from my personal accounts in Indianapolis, this is not to say every city is the same, the initial protests were lawful and peaceful. On the weekend of May 29 - 31 individuals joined the protests for their own personal gains, which turned into rioting. The rioters were seperate from the protestors, and many protestors that I talked to personally condemned the rioting. The protestors who were downtown protesting originally, are no longer protesting, because they have felt as if "Things are changing and we have been listened to by leadership". So anyone protesting down there now is not protesting for justice, but for some other ulterior motive.

My brother works as a salesman at Ries Nichols jewelers in Castleton area. He said that their shop had been broken into over that weekend. The secruity footage showed a couple of people throwing bricks in the windows, and once they were broken, a flood of 40 or more people ran in to rob the store. These people were not protestors, and did not care about real justice. They merely wanted to take advantage of the situation for personal gain, knowing the police were busy trying to stop rioting downtown.

You're absolutely right though. The Clantons should have brought their complaints before the courts. Just as the protestors should have brought their complaints directly to local leadership.

 

[jamil]

Am I incorrect in thinking almost NO ONE here has read the stated political objectives of BLM and ANTIFA at their website that is by the way created maintained and funded by demacRATic party and more specifically Nancy Pelosi?

These people are for real. They are NOT rioters or protesters THEY SIMPLY ARE NOT. These are insurrectionist Marxist Bolsheviks hiding behind the entirely false tittle of protesters and rioters. The protesters are in fact the shield and conduit that allows the storm troopers of their Marxist Bolshevik movement to infiltrate into the communities unabated and then at a prearranged moment trigger riot and reek havoc and mayhem burning looting and terrorizing the populous into utter submission. This never has been ans never will be a real protest about anything it is a attempt to over throw the government disguised as a protest to protect them from justifiably being crushed as the domestic terrorists and insurrectionist Bolsheviks they truly are and should be dealt with no differently then any other enemy trying to use violence to over throw and destroy America.

It would be a simple task to first identify the primary leaders and those funding them, as we almost certainly know who they are already, arrest them try and if convicted lined up against wall and shot as all traitors and those guilty of treason against America should be. You need not do much to disband the rest as they are a mob. Find the ones that did serious crimes like arson, looting and assault especially assaulting officers try convict and imprison them. Tell the cities that the politicians allowed them to run amok in you are SOL on government tax payer funds to rebuild your burned out cities businesses and infrastructure so maybe next time riots start you will take necessary actions to stop it in it's tracks instead of adding ans abetting it.

If we can not use force to defeat an enemy he!! bent on the utter destruction of America especially one who has openly proclaimed their intentions to do so, then when do we as a nation take action against such lethally serious enemies?
These aren't bush-league fringe wacko's these people are VERY well funded, well organized and lead by people like George Sorros and our own government courtesy of the demacRATic party and our own tax payer $$$.

Refusing to take action against those attempting to violently over throw our nation because it is to contrary to our system of justice or because it might set a dangerous precedent is in of itself a dangerous precedent.

Some one please tel me I am wrong and this is not what is so painfully appears to ME be an attempt by radical socialist/communists/Marxists to violently over throw our nation with the complete support and financial backing of the demacRATic party, then what is it? And if it is as I believe it is exactly that and we STILL shouldn't take the needed actions to crush it utterly before it can have any chanced to succeed, then what does an enemy trying to destroy America, over throw our government, install a Tyrannical Soviet style communist Politburo form of government have to do to justify a reaction by the federal and state governments forceful enough to end it permanently and restore order to communities these groups have paralyzed with anarchy and terror?

Ya. Go read the BLM thread. It's all been discussed quite a bit. Even our resident liberal calls them Marxists.

 

[NKBJ]

Before President Trump shoulders the burden again he is going to have to make the country safe to have the election.
Thugs will be activated for thuggeries if they are allowed.
Barn was right. We have to nip it.