What is the purpose of a SBR?

[lonehoosier]

slick setup! 

Thanks

 

[Ggreen]

It's that the sentinel concepts/ tuff backpack?

 

[roscott]

For an AR platform, I’ll take the pistol with brace any day. No pesky paperwork, I can sell it myself if I choose to, and I can take it to other states without asking permission.

However, the SBR route still holds lots of appeal for me in other areas. See below. (If only a company would come out with a bolt action 300blk pistol I could slap a brace on!)

 

[tiretrack]

Outside of a very narrow slice of uses, it is John Frum/Cargo Cult nonsense. It will pass.

Ok ,normally if I utilize Google and strain my old brain I can follow you, but I am unable to discern which side of this argument you are on☺ ,I could use some clarification please.

 

[HubertGummer]

ATF: It's Now Legal to Shoulder an AR-15 Pistol Equipped with an SB Tactical Arm Brace - The Truth About Guns

From this article:
"This letter applies solely to pistol arm braces which have been submitted to the ATF FTB branch and have received approval. SB Tactical is the only maker to have received this approval. If you have a non-SB Tactical pistol brace, this ruling does not apply to your brace. Shoulder those at your own risk."

I guess I'm not allowed to shoulder my KAK brace.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

From this article:
"This letter applies solely to pistol arm braces which have been submitted to the ATF FTB branch and have received approval. SB Tactical is the only maker to have received this approval. If you have a non-SB Tactical pistol brace, this ruling does not apply to your brace. Shoulder those at your own risk."

I guess I'm not allowed to shoulder my KAK brace.

Weird, huh?

 

[HubertGummer]

Yup. Sounds like government

 

[cosmos556]

The ability to have a full stock is the main thing I love. My AR SBR gets the most range time of any rifle I own.

I bought a PAP M92 that came with a brace, was very excited about it, and ended up selling the brace after the first range trip. I did not like it at all. It was cumbersome and awkward. Once sold, I never looked back. The money from the brace nearly paid for the stamp.

If you’re curious, a rifle made as a pistol is a good way to start and/or troubleshoot while waiting on F1 approval. But sooner or later, I think most people will want to get full utility from a shoulder stock. Can you become proficient otherwise? Sure. See the guys on YouTube who run single shot shotguns as fast as less experienced pump action shooters. But for what is effectively a negligible cost increase over the cost of a brace setup, why not get the real thing?

 

[phylodog]

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However, the SBR route still holds lots of appeal for me in other areas. See below. (If only a company would come out with a bolt action 300blk pistol I could slap a brace on!)

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You could use something like this and a new Rem700 receiver and build what you're after.

http://www.megaarms.com/the-orias-chassis/

 

[femurphy77]

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^

I have a Law Tactical folding buffer tube on my 10.5 AR pistol. It will fit just about any backpack.

I know that 9-10 split sucks but don't take it out on the pins!

 

[roscott]

You could use something like, a new Rem700 receiver and build what you're after.

http://www.megaarms.com/the-orias-chassis/

I have considered that. If I bought a 700 receiver from say, Brownells, how do I designate it as a pistol?

And am I just spending too much time chasing a 6" shorter barrel?

 

[avboiler11]

You don’t designate it as a pistol, it is a receiver and would be “other” on a 4473 just like a stripped AR lower.

 

[cosmos556]

I have considered that. If I bought a 700 receiver from say, Brownells, how do I designate it as a pistol?

And am I just spending too much time chasing a 6" shorter barrel?

First, poster above is right regarding “other.”

Second, a distinct possibility on time. IME, a 16” bolt action is generally a light and handy rifle. You could always go shorter and still be Title I with a pinned and welded muzzle device.

If time and/or cost isn’t a factor, sure. The chassis linked has received great reviews. You could take a 700 stock and remove the buttstock and add an ACE block for the blade. Are you setting headspace yourself? Another cost.

 

[cosmos556]

One more though. The chassis and receiver will run what, $700 and $300, respectively? That’s before any time, headspace, assembly, etc. Even with prerequisite KSA, it still takes time.

You’ll be money ahead with a $650 rifle & a $200 SBR stamp. You could also SBR an AR-15 in .300 Blackout for less than chassis and receiver costs, but there is more action noise with that route.

Dont let me dissuade you; your project has a lot of cool potential, and I’d love to see finished photos, but it will take considerably more resources to complete.

 

[Spear Dane]

Since the ATF has come to its senses and allow the shouldering of AR pistols, what’s the purpose of building/buying a SBR and paying for the tax stamp?

Penis enlargement.

 

[phylodog]

Penis enlargement.

If I'd have known that was possible I'd have built an AR pistol a long time ago. I could probably get the old lady to chip in for the build.

 

[actaeon277]

If I'd have known that was possible I'd have built an AR pistol a long time ago. I could probably get the old lady to chip in for the build.

 

[jagee]

My first INGO lower was built as a 16" rifle with the plan of chopping the barrel and adding a can...2 stamps. I have yet to start any paperwork on this plan (baby on the way and this plan is expensive). I'm considering leaving the current rifle as is, and building a pistol instead. Still just thinking about it though, as this plan also costs money.

The reason for me was mainly the "cool factor" and "just because I can." But, I have friends who have cool guns and they let me shoot them, so that works for me for now.

 

[1nderbeard]

I'd say the purpose is not being in a gray area subject to the whim of a judge, especially with felony consequences.
I have a hard time justifying an SBR or AR/AK pistol, practically speaking. I do think a pistol carbine would be a nice pairing-glock pistol and receiver to accept glock mags.

 

[bwframe]

Until they change their mind again.

If they even did the first time? Who does one believe?

What if you are the one that changes the supposed new version of enforcement?
Lotta speculation from a lotta folks that want it their way here?