Well thank goodness she wasn't seriously hurt! She could've broken a nail in her panicked state! How do you come back from something like that??
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White County Teachers Complain About an Owie During Active Shooter Training
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Well thank goodness she wasn't seriously hurt! She could've broken a nail in her panicked state! How do you come back from something like that??
One with an agenda...
I don’t know the specifics for this training exercise, but when we set up training in a “public” space (school, college, business, etc,) we put up sandwich boards with “Police training in progress” by the doors and parking entrances with cones and cars and safety officers all around. Generally no “actual” public is allowed in the area for the duration of the training (in which the building is usually closed anyway.)
CPT Nervous
Grandmaster
Yep. We wouldn't do the training when the school was open.
Clay Pigeon
Shooter
Maybe one with a half a dozen welts across their back?
Which is worse? Half dozen welts or half dozen dead students?
This story really caught fire with the national news. There's enough "tHiS iS aMeRiCa" comments to have a measurable carbon footprint.
I couldn't imagine trusting the safety of my kids to someone who runs out of active shooter training to whine to the media about their airsoft gun boo-boos instead of processing the clear point of the training. Maybe the GFZ signs will protect them, because these people sure won't.
I couldn't imagine trusting the safety of my kids to someone who runs out of active shooter training to whine to the media about their airsoft gun boo-boos instead of processing the clear point of the training. Maybe the GFZ signs will protect them, because these people sure won't.
A few things:
- Shooting anyone with a airsoft without their explicit consent is a very bad idea. It's stupid and tells me that the person running the training needs more training.
- If the trainers believed that shooting the participants had a reasonable training purpose (which it does), they should have made it clear to the teachers what was going to happen, get their consent, and allow any ******* to not participate.
- Someone needs to have a long talk with those teachers about hardening the **** up. If they throw a fit like that over a sting and minor wound from an airsoft pellet, they have no potential for being able to manage students in any kind of crisis.
I wish I'd have thought to ask Mom about this earlier when I stopped by. She was a high school math teacher during the Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson administrations. I have the feeling her reply would be something like, "Teachers used to be tougher than that."
Clay Pigeon
Shooter
So we now equate welting up teachers to a Delta shoot house. How about we run the administration, teachers and students through a tear gas tent so they understand what happens when a school gets gassed?
Not a bad idea. That way they’ll already be crying for the cameras.
Clay Pigeon
Shooter
You must have walked uphill in the snow to school everyday.
CPT Nervous
Grandmaster
Did they make the teachers wear face shields or goggles? I have a hard time believing that the trainers wouldn't have given all the participants PPE.
If you're wearing the PPE, I take that as a sign that you understand that you may be shot.
If you're wearing the PPE, I take that as a sign that you understand that you may be shot.
Obviously a lot of you guys talking about this have never been shot with a CO2 airsoft plastic bb traveling close to 1000fps from 10 feet away in the back with zero idea what was to occur. The rounds drew blood on some of the teachers. According to my wife (a teacher in another district not far from Monticello), the admin told them NOTHING about opting out or that they would be shot. I do not condone this type of training. They are teachers not warriors. The airsoft shooting of teachers instills NOTHING. If you think it is no big deal, sign up to be a demonstrator . The teachers couldn't retaliation on the shooter and feedback on best course of action after being shot was given. It was not approved by the state board as ALICE training is. If this had happened to school children, you might change your cavalier attitude toward this mockery of supposed training.
As long as they are forced to work in an unsafe (GFZ) environment, should they not be ready?
Was this "training" mandatory? Were they paid for the time spent training?
If there is a problem with the instruction, that should be addressed. That said, anyone who has done any force on force training understands that there will be risk of pain.
Why do they think that they are required to wear eye/face protection?
I have paid to train with people who welted me with marking rounds and airsoft. I am better because of it, so are the most of these teachers. More importantly, our kids are safer because of the training.
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Clay Pigeon
Shooter
Interesting, I come from 4 generations of combat veterans including myself, and none of us were shot with anything before we were deployed.
If its now a modern thing my son is a LCpl 0352 Marine Grunt and as of Basic, SOI, advanced missile school, and he is currently two weeks into Designated Marksmanship School at 29 and he has yet you be shot with anything. I guess we missed out.
Nope,been shot with airsoft, simunitions, utm, and back in the day, real bb’s. If they weren’t warned, that’s on the trainer, but I have a hard time believing that once the facemasks were issued, NOBODY wondered why? There wasn’t a liability release form signed or ANY pretraining briefing made about what was to go on? How many teachers were actually shot? We’re any others shot throughout the training? Why are only 1 or 2 teachers involved complaining?
Thank you for your service and that of the rest of your family!
I cannot speak to military training as I have only had modern day defensive training. I can say though, without doubt I am better because of it, as are those who trained with me.
Bringing in your local police department is not the best choice when it comes to training private, mostly unarmed (firearms) citizens to respond to an active killer incident. Most police officers only attend mandated training and rarely seek out training on their own dime and time. That mandated training will be focused on a law enforcement response to an active killer, not private citizens working in an educational, business or religious institution setting.
If you are tasked with coordinating active killer training, please seek out professional PRIVATE training!
If you are tasked with coordinating active killer training, please seek out professional PRIVATE training!
