Who's Donating School Supplies

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

You missed my point by a mile. Donating these supplies is an act of charity by individuals and the private sector, as it should be. Not a mandate by the govt.

Orge, I got your point, and no matter if I had not, I DO NOT SUPPORT PUBLIC SCHOOL.

WHY IN THE HECK WOULD I DONATE TO SOMETHING I DONT SUPPORT?

I dont sit here and hound you to give to any cause you could not support, how about you repay that and respecting my desire to not support on any level the School system of America.

You should paint houses for a living. You could finish the job with one brush stroke.

Thank you, and you should become a hair stylist, because you have a superb ability to spin.

Perhaps you could become a Democrat, that way you can preach your holier than thou "Give give give" to those "needy needy needy" people.

I said needed a hand, not required govt. assistance. So some 6 year old that can't get what he needs from his family (as you did) should be shunned by any charitable individuals at all costs?

Comprehend me, Orge, I dont care if you want to give your money. DO IT, I'll clap for you.

BUT DONT ASK ME TO GIVE MONEY FOR A CAUSE THAT IS FAILED FROM THE START.

Furthermore, I am not responsible for other people's children. If they cannot afford the kids, then doom on them.

I refuse to be told lack of job opportunity, or life is too expensive.
It's called laziness, irresponsibility and the promotion of thereof.

I am not responsible to the millions of idiots who desire and do suck the Nation and it's people dry.

MMM, painting business doing well? Moved up to and an even broader brush I see.

How's that Democrat election going?

Statistically, what I've said is NOT false.

Not really, I mock many of my own religion who deserve it.

Well, fine. If you respect those of your own religion enough to mock them, than have at it. But as I said, keep your low blows to those you can 'respect'.

I have not sought to disprespect your religion, your ideals or ideology, but you continue, with this second post to show your nature, when an opinion doesnt favor your beliefs.

So when you needed a hand from your family and they helped, they failed you and you failed yourself?

Here is what I said.

for understanding that this charity is failed from the start.

Education in America, produces incredibly stupid people. People who cannot do the basic of Math, read or write they're own name.

I've seen these folks.

Again, I have not said anything that isnt true.

Dont implicate me. I've proven myself even at the short age of 24, friend.

Again, My belief is that FAMILY, NOT Government should be there in a bind.
And while Im talking about that, I've helped my family numerously.

Whats this got to do with the price of tea in China?

Is that your idea of being funny?

Who's to say that they supplies donated are only going to public schools?

Well, whose to say they wont go to Public School?

How is donating school supplies to children in need going to make their situation and chance to learn worse?

The Donation in itself wont 'hurt', but it's wasted, for the reasons I've listed above.

What is so hard to understand? I SIMPLY WONT AND CANNOT SUPPORT THE CAUSE?

I'd rather Donate to Home Schoolers, that is a far more worthy cause.

I'm just a guy who's calling you out for your contempt of people, for of all things, donating school supplies for needy children.

Oh, I see. Well here's the deal, You donate your money, and I'll donate a swift kick to the rear (Figuratively - Call it, tough love. lol), tell them to earn they're own money and we'll see which one our beliefs will breed successful, hard working, educated peoples.

You cannot see how failed you are, and personally, it's not my place. If promoting this charity is your deal, fine.

And attempting to play holier than thou is your deal, too; to those who dont agree with your belief, keep truckin.

After all these are children who could use some crayons,

Then they can borrow some crayons, or the Teacher, can give some to use during class.

pencils or paper for class,

Are you attempting to explain, that for a Teacher to shell out some pencils/paper is beyond her ability?

She works in that field, and is provided for, with my Tax dollars, if she or the School district cannot ensure each child as the bare minimum, than perhaps it's time to scrap that system anyways.


THANK YOU

not an alcoholic degenerate on the street that has chosen to give up on any semblance of self reliance and responsibility.

Not my problem. In all honesty, with Societies' continue degenerancy, that hypothetical child will undoubtedly grow up in pappy or mammies' footsteps.

Wait, you said charity was failed from the start, why are you donating your time and effort?

Dont wait-nothing me Orge, change your name to word twister.

I said I do NOT support THAT cause. Do you understand?

And I hope you didn't give your money to someone outside your family, because then your leading "them to believe that they can expect Society to pick up after them."

Why am I even entertaining this idiocy? WHY?

How I help, is my business, where I help is my choice.

In my endevors, I make a point to NOT help those who practice parasitical ideals. I'll let the Orgs of America do that.

And would you have the same mind set if you and your family could no longer care for your offspring?

That's pretty neat hypothetical. Neither myself or my extended family could not help. As realistic as it is for the world at large, I think that if it got to that level personally, I'd probably have more to worry about than a simple brainwashing education.

Would you want the rest of society to shun them as you openly profess to shun all other children?

Well, too many factors to consider for me to answer this. One of which, are my CHILDREN, doing everything in they're power to sustain themselves in they're desire to better themselves, or are they leeching.

Our first born, daughter at One, has simple chores, throwing away her diaper, wiping off the table, and even putting laundry in the basket.

Yes, the lazy masses of 6 and 7 year olds screwing off all summer when they should be worried about their school supplies and how they will afford them.

If those children or parents are concerned, than they would take steps to ensure, but obviously they understand they do NOT NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE.

Again, let nature take it's course.

I'm sure if or when your kid(s) were 6 that is precisely what their concerns were/will be.

Do you realize how hard life is outside of America? OR even previous eras?
Kids were expected to contribute to the family, had responsibilities to ensure the family sustained itself.

I see many here promote the Greek phrase, of bearing arms, but how many of you are aware that is was not uncommon for certain Greek Nations to take children as young as 7 years old, and train them to be Warriors.

A child will learn, whatever is expected of them, by the parent.

No argument from me here, chores and being taught the value of earning a dollar are important.

Yep, because that's what is was.

Some would call working 5-6+ hours for a week, for a 7 dollar toy, Slavery.

If you agree with me there, than there should be zero problems with kids making they're own money to HELP provide for they're OWN education.

But yet you cant, you just want to play holier than thou, and paint me as bad, because I wont contribute, neat logic.

You do know we are talking about grade school kids and their school supplies. I wasn't thinking about what I needed to do to better myself and community when I was 6 or 7, and I'm pretty certain neither were you.

NO. YOU are talking about young children. Im talking about EVERYONE, no matter age/grade.

I was also not in the situation of needing to help others, other than family.

Again, this has what to do with donating childrens school supplies?

The agenda, I WONT SUPPORT.

WHAT MAKE YOU THINK THESE SUPPLIES WOULD NEVER BE GIVEN TO THOSE IN NEED AT PRIVATE or CHARTER SCHOOLS?

WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THESE SUPPLIES WOULD NEVER BE GIVEN TO THOSE IN NEED AT A PUBLIC SCHOOL?

Dont ask me ridiculous questions, please.

 

[Ogre]

NHV, I don't care about your views on public schools or even the fact that you personally would not contribute to this cause. What got me was your intense disdain for the charity, and the idea you have that every little kid that was going to benefit from this was, is, and will continue to be a leach on society that will never contribute. There is no way you or I can know what these kids will make of themselves.
No holier than thou from me, I'm no saint. I'm happy to admit it. If I feel up to beating my head against the wall some more I will come back and re-read your post, and comment.

 

[6birds]

If I feel up to beating my head against the wall some more I will come back and re-read your post, and comment.

Ask him what school he went to, I wanna make sure my kids don't go near it!

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Private Military Academy, down south.

 

[WillBrayJr]

NordicHeathenVinland,

As I've said before, no 6 year old is going to have common sense to know how to provide for themselves. Hell no 6 year even knows what common sense is. Your Theory of Natural Selection in the case of children is flawed. I'd rather pay alittle now helping to get them through school then pay alot later after they get locked up for a serious crime. People without an education are often the ones that resort to activities like dealing drugs, stealing, robbing. When I was in 7th grade I resorted to copying my 3rd stepfather's porn movies and selling them out of my locker. Had to do something to put food in my stomach and clothes and on my back. Wasn't real happy about doing it.

Yes the School System failed me and so did the Justice System many times.

 

[Micromanager]

Some people may not be happy with our Public Education system, but I will tell you there are those of use in there with heart. I don't have all the answers but all I know is that by cutting budgets and eliminting programs like Family and Consumer Science (like my corp had to in order to keep as many staff as possible) while at the same time funding a multi-million dollar wetlands project in the state is just stupid...The FCS department was responsible for the majority of things that parents don't teach their kids anymore, including sex ed. Until we get Daniels out of office, the state is going to go down the toilet. And yes, I guess parents could pick up the FCS info themselves, but will they? We are stretched as thin as we can go without breaking, but I will still teach on....

 

[hornadylnl]

Some people may not be happy with our Public Education system, but I will tell you there are those of use in there with heart. I don't have all the answers but all I know is that by cutting budgets and eliminting programs like Family and Consumer Science (like my corp had to in order to keep as many staff as possible) while at the same time funding a multi-million dollar wetlands project in the state is just stupid...The FCS department was responsible for the majority of things that parents don't teach their kids anymore, including sex ed. Until we get Daniels out of office, the state is going to go down the toilet. And yes, I guess parents could pick up the FCS info themselves, but will they? We are stretched as thin as we can go without breaking, but I will still teach on....

Yes, because we need a governor that spends money we don't have. How about your school cut their sports and building budget and fund actual education?

 

[WillBrayJr]

That's the last time I go shopping in the middle of the night. People have the nerve to say I'm strange? There were four plump teen Bull Dikes doing more than just kissing in the middle of the store. If they went any further it would have been a full blown orgy. $96 later I'm happy to say I got the school supplies.

 

[Benny]

How many kids are you buying school supplies for?

 

[Micromanager]

Yes, because we need a governor that spends money we don't have. How about your school cut their sports and building budget and fund actual education?

Sports, well that is a touchy subject with a lot of people. I can see both sides of the argument, it does keep a lot of kids out of trouble and creates a lot of confidence and skills as well as the ability to work with others and to take direction. However, if we can't educate them as well, it does no good. Not a lot of NBA or NFL drafts are coming out of our corporation. And there are a lot of schools cutting sports programs. It is just sad that he is taking away lots of opportunities from our children that they could have and literally giving them to the birds. BTW, a lot of the things I buy for my classroom come from my pocket and I pay for every penny of my own kids books, supplies and shoes. You may love or hate Public Education, but it is what the majority of kids have to deal with and hacking at it doesn't make it better. Personally I am not a big sports supporter, but my kids do learn a lot in their ECA's and I would find a way for them to participate even if the schools cut their budgets. However, I know a lot of kids who could not afford to do that.

 

[Micromanager]

Yes, because we need a governor that spends money we don't have. How about your school cut their sports and building budget and fund actual education?

And I totally agree, we need to get away from the politicians who want to drive a Lexis when all they can afford is an Escort. It is all about the show to them, and kids and education aren't part of the spotlight. Sad.

 

[WillBrayJr]

How many kids are you buying school supplies for?

Just one.

 

[VaGriller]

My wifes a teacher, We buy supplies throughout the year!

 

[hornadylnl]

And I totally agree, we need to get away from the politicians who want to drive a Lexis when all they can afford is an Escort. It is all about the show to them, and kids and education aren't part of the spotlight. Sad.

Last I heard, the average spending for 1 child for 1 year was well over $5000. How much more money do we need to throw at these schools to make them work in your opinion? $10k, 20k, 50k per student? Why don't we just let the ISTA and NEA take over education. After all, we know they have only the students' interests in mind, not the teachers.

 

[VaGriller]

Last I heard, the average spending for 1 child for 1 year was well over $5000. How much more money do we need to throw at these schools to make them work in your opinion? $10k, 20k, 50k per student? Why don't we just let the ISTA and NEA take over education. After all, we know they have only the students' interests in mind, not the teachers.

You are absolutely correct!! We should cut education funding by half!! While we're add it do they really need High Schools? We could have a major industrial push and try to have our children take over the slave labor trade of China by pushing our 13yr olds into factory jobs!

Education BAD!

 

[Principal Skinr]

I'll spend quite a bit of money on school supplies. First of all, I've got 5 kids in school this year. Secondly, I'll be working with a student body where over 80% of the kids live in poverty, with some of them being homeless or living in a group home. My wife will be purchasing Christmas for about 3 families, as will a good number of my teaching staff. Most of them will be helping kids with clothing and supplies, too. Some of them will be occasionally cooking meals and taking them to homes of children whose parents are sick or have been injured in an accident, as well. With over 1200 kids, you can always find hardship and need. We hope to at least provide them with a part of the day where they are fed a decent meal and are surrounded by adults who care about them and want to help them grow and learn.

Props to those who are helping poor kids out there. It makes a huge difference!

This economy has taken a huge toll on the families of my students. I know for a fact the government is painting a much rosier economic picture than really exists.

 

[hornadylnl]

You are absolutely correct!! We should cut education funding by half!! While we're add it do they really need High Schools? We could have a major industrial push and try to have our children take over the slave labor trade of China by pushing our 13yr olds into factory jobs!

Education BAD!

Answer the question. What dollar amount of money is needed per child per year? If the current amount is $5k and we up it to $10k, the schools will be asking for $20k in just a few years. The schools always blame a lack of funding for their failures. No matter how much we give them, they will just find bigger and better things to waste it on.

I live in a corn field school district. They average 80-100 students per grade. A few years ago, the school decided to spend $93,000 on a concession stand for a baseball field. I currently have my 1800 sf house on .8 acres up for sale for $89,900. I'd be surprised if half of the houses in this school district are worth more than that $93,000 concession stand. That stand could be built with a bundle of 2x4's and some pole barn siding. I'm sure union block layers were hired to build a monstrosity to nowhere.

The schools have 5 times the money they need to ACTUALLY EDUCATE! It's just what they choose to do with that money. I know of another school locally that tried borrowing $10 million because the doors were falling off hinges, the roof was about to cave in, etc. The residents filed a remonstrance and stopped it. So the school borrows the max amount they can to prevent a remonstrance. One of the first things they did was spend over $300k on the gym floor and bleachers. They bought 5 acres of land for $60k and wouldn't admit they bought it for sports purposes. They spent many $10's of thousands redoing the track. So much for the school being worried about an unsafe learning environment.

Why do the schools misappropriate funds? It's because that's what the parents want. I've thought about running for the school board and voting against every dime requested for sports. They'd probably run me out at the end of a pitch fork before my first term was up.

The tax base for these school systems is ever shrinking due to layoffs or pay cuts but the schools still demand more yet.

 

[VaGriller]

NHV,

Your profile says injured/full time dad. That basically means you don't have a typical 9-5 except for daddy daycare correct? Injured? Who paid your medical bills? Or continues to pay them? On disability? Workers comp? On gov assistance? WIC? Not that you would admit it.

Either way.

I will not support anymore than what my tyrannical communist Government forces me to do.

There seems to be an awful lot you don't like about this country. WHY ARE YOU HERE? Why not fly to IRAQ, IRAN, China, Somalia? Then you can see what a real tyrannical communist gov or lack of gov is.

Let the record show. I will donate $20.00 to NHV's leave America and renounce his citizenship fund because the United States of America is apparently just a mother****er for him to live in.

 

[VaGriller]

nice of you to try and help those less fortunate. but in all honesty by the time a needy child gets it, the teachers will have picked over it themselves. so by the time the kid gets it it will just be the bag and a number 2 pencil probly.

a lot of teachers in these schools are just as dumb as the kids parents who cant feed their kids because of lazyness.

My wife was Valedictorian of her school, and graduated from Butler with a 4.0. Yup, She's a real dummy, and apparently a thief too. You ought to see the boxes upon boxes of crayons and kid notebooks she steals and brings home just so the needy kids only have pencils!

Answer the question. What dollar amount of money is needed per child per year?

I can't honestly answer that. I do not know suffiently what would give a quality education. You can get copies of a school districts budget. Have you requested one, sat down and gone line by line and see where money was appropriated?

 

[hornadylnl]

I can't honestly answer that. I do not know suffiently what would give a quality education. You can get copies of a school districts budget. Have you requested one, sat down and gone line by line and see where money was appropriated?

You can't answer it because whatever they spend is never enough. Let's say we up the per child funding to $10k. In less than 5 years, they will be begging for more because $10k isn't enough.

One does not need a copy of the budget to see where the money is going. I spoke to a long time teacher who was asking questions at one of the board meetings. Every time he brought up to the board to use money from unnecessary projects to fund real education, their response was always that that money comes from a different fund.

Don't have enough money to teach? Cut all coaching salaries. Cut out all maintenance costs associated to sports. Let the kids on the football team bring their lawn boys to mow the football field before the game. Let the basketball team sweep the gym floor and clean up the trash left by the fans. Let the swim team maintain the pool. Why are we paying janitors and maintenance men to take care of that crap? Because parents care more about their kids eca's than they do their education.