Why Can't People Live Their Convictions, Without Forcing Them On Others?

[DN40SW]

Just a simple example, there are dozens of others. Global warming/new green deal, I do not know a single person, of the many I know that support the legislation, that lives as though they believe it. Neither do the Hollywood types that promote it. Why? If they really are concerned, or some are scared, would they not live their convictions? Why would they only live their
convictions if government forces their neighbors to do so as well?

They don't really believe what they say. It's all about power and, "Do as I say not as I do" ..

 

[Trapper Jim]

Actually all around us is the irresponsible development of slab homes with garages that no one can get their cars in and built so cheaply that HVAC bills consume And waste so much energy that takes its toll on our resources and that’s not even irresponsible retail shops as well. It’s a runaway freight train that is fed by real estate mongrels and big money. Movie stars, fat belly developers, Dems, Republicans, all are chasing the dollar. So as uneducated voters pick a few certain issues like mask mandates (god forbid trying to save lives) and greenhouse gas, remember to look around and see what is really going on. The implosion of America is the fault of the voting public and no one else. The trade agreements, the tax dollar waste, commercial capitalism greed, all has its part in it. So, before one votes for values, do you really know the candidate or is your information based on news entertainment programs sponsored by pharmaceutical ads.

 

[Ingomike]

Actually all around us is the irresponsible development of slab homes with garages that no one can get their cars in and built so cheaply that HVAC bills consume And waste so much energy that takes its toll on our resources and that’s not even irresponsible retail shops as well. It’s a runaway freight train that is fed by real estate mongrels and big money. Movie stars, fat belly developers, Dems, Republicans, all are chasing the dollar. So as uneducated voters pick a few certain issues like mask mandates (god forbid trying to save lives) and greenhouse gas, remember to look around and see what is really going on. The implosion of America is the fault of the voting public and no one else. The trade agreements, the tax dollar waste, commercial capitalism greed, all has its part in it. So, before one votes for values, do you really know the candidate or is your information based on news entertainment programs sponsored by pharmaceutical ads.

And just what the heck do you think free people should live in for a home? Who are you to denigrate "slab homes"? An affordable home can be built on a slab allowing many, that can't afford whatever it is you think they should live in, to buy a home of their own.

The reason they cannot get their car in the garage has little to do with the garage and everything to do with all the stuff our affluent economy allows them to purchase.

The HVAC system, in a new home, is far more efficient and clean than what the old systems were and the homes themselves are built to energy efficiency standards and well insulated.

Sounds more like someone upset that others are moving into his area and converting that into a political argument...

 

[NKBJ]

Growing up I knew people who lived their convictions. The good part was being six years old, going to the barber shop at the main walls and seeing a guard get shaved with a straight razor (watched a Jimmy Cagney movie the night before). Back then I didn't even need an escort.

 

[churchmouse]

And just what the heck do you think free people should live in for a home? Who are you to denigrate "slab homes"? An affordable home can be built on a slab allowing many, that can't afford whatever it is you think they should live in, to buy a home of their own.

The reason they cannot get their car in the garage has little to do with the garage and everything to do with all the stuff our affluent economy allows them to purchase.

The HVAC system, in a new home, is far more efficient and clean than what the old systems were and the homes themselves are built to energy efficiency standards and well insulated.

Sounds more like someone upset that others are moving into his area and converting that into a political argument...

If we stand back and dissect what he said with a clear mind I can see what he is saying and to a point I agree. He is not slamming a slab home. Hell I own 2 of them and worked/spent my tail off to make them efficient because they sucked.
I put HVAC systems in on a regular basis and if you saw what we see I think you might tone that argument back a lot. Because it is a valid point he makes. People regularly go cheap and install short on capacity. Every vinyl village I have done any work in is running short on AC by at least a half ton or more. System never shuts off over 85. Runs all day and into the night. Been that way since the houses were built. On slabs.....
We always bump up the capacity by half a ton. Then the system actually does its job.

Friends bought new homes. Called me to come over when it is August hot and humid. HVAC is inadequate as the builders are more interested in low bid than having the damned things actually work. Some of the higher end homes are better but the average Joe rolls the dice.

But as to the meat.....yes, I hold us all responsible for this mess. All of us. We, for the most part have all busted our butts to feed/house and raise our family's. And when possible tried to enjoy the fruits of those labors. No time to organize, march, preach and protest. Actually no will to do any of that. We are beat down tired from our pursuits. And fairly comfy in our lives in our slab houses. Please note I live in the hood in a slab house. Next to the other slab house we own.
You me and every other voter (the ones that now care) have stood back and watched this all come to pass. And we did nothing. Now we are looking at insanity but we still keep these same asshats in office. It makes no sense.

Just looking at this from being on this rock a long long time. And JMHO of course sir.

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

Lol I'm speechless... don't even know how to respond sometimes because I know its going to rub some people the wrong way and I'll get made fun of

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[NKBJ]

Don't let getting made fun of slow you down.
That's the only defense some people have and it would be unfair to take it away.

 

[Keith_Indy]

My experience has been that many of the folks who are imposing their convictions on others are doing it INSTEAD of living up to those ideals, themselves.

It is far easier to virtue posture than to live a life of sacrifice.

This is one reason why Jordan Peterson is so hated by many. "Rule 6: Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world"

It's easy to criticize the world. The immediate satisfaction gives you results (feeling good about yourself) with little effort.

It's hard to make your life the best it can be. It requires you to sacrifice in the present for a good result (actually changing your life for the better) later down the road.

 

[NKBJ]

It may not be possible to not criticize the world.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Lol I'm speechless... don't even know how to respond sometimes because I know its going to rub some people the wrong way and I'll get made fun of

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Remember: If you're taking flak, you're over the target...

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

Remember: If you're taking flak, you're over the target...

I'm not sure what you mean

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[DoggyDaddy]

I'm not sure what you mean

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[JettaKnight]

I'm pretty sure Abraham Lincoln originally said that.

 

[sixGuns]

In developed countries, people generally have it pretty good. This leads to an excess of time, and out of boredom they try to fix the problems they see. Of course the problems they see are based on their political leanings and...

It's no different from celebrities on late night telling you how to think/feel/vote.

 

[printcraft]

I'm pretty sure Abraham Lincoln originally said that.

It was John Adams you

 

[Libertarian01]

To answer part of the question is because I believe that some people believe so strongly in their convictions that they cannot see any other way than theirs, and to "help/save/protect" people from themselves (ie. those who don't see things the same way) they feel the need to prove themselves right by forcing their views on everyone. If only everyone would do things "their way" then the world would be a better place.

I'll avoid the abortion issue but discuss in brief a similar but less divisive (hopefully) topic, euthanasia. To many people the idea of choosing when to die is unfathomable, for a variety of reasons. To many Catholics suicide is a sin, ergo something to not choose to do. Ergo, Oregon's Death with Dignity law is an immoral law that violates the rule of God. They know they are right, and there can be no other way of looking at it. Therefore, they MUST do all in their power to save some poor soul from their own weakness, and literally save that persons soul in the process.

However, they forget that their teachings are based in faith, and not in fact. It is their faith that guides them and they fail to see that there are many different views of faith. They cannot prove objectively that choosing a pill cocktail to painlessly die is worse than suffering from a terminal illness, just as a person choosing the cocktail cannot prove it is better than choosing to fight to the last. The problem is, it should, in my opinion, be a personal choice.

In Oklahoma some years ago I read that several hundred people had chosen the poison cocktail, yet only 30some had actually used it. For the rest, when asked of relatives, why they had the pills but didn't take them many answered that just having the pills gave the dying person an extreme sense of control, that they could choose whether to put up with the suffering for another day or end it all. It was the power of being back in control that gave great comfort to most.

I think a lot of the issues where people stick their noses into other peoples business are on matters that cannot, at least as of yet, be proven one way or the other. Euthanasia, abortion, the death penalty, pollution, and on and on. No one of these can we prove, objectively, that one side is "right", however in the heck you would measure that. So people fall back on personal beliefs, opinions, and possibly anecdotal evidence without considering that they may really be wrong, however in the heck you measure that.

I believe Jordan Peterson was correct. If you want to improve the world clean your own bedroom. The the bathroom. Then the hallway. Once you get your whole house in order then take care of your yard. Then every little thing you have absolute hegemony over. But that takes a lot of time and energy and puts off the big issue that people have a burr up their butt over. So they take the lazy way and tell their neighbors what to do, a lot easier and doesn't make you face the closet cleaning that is long overdue.

Regards,

Doug

 

[jamil]

This is one reason why Jordan Peterson is so hated by many. "Rule 6: Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world"

It's easy to criticize the world. The immediate satisfaction gives you results (feeling good about yourself) with little effort.

It's hard to make your life the best it can be. It requires you to sacrifice in the present for a good result (actually changing your life for the better) later down the road.

The biggest problem with it is that without having lived a bit, and suffered a bit, and overcome a bit, one probably doesn't know enough about enough to not be mostly full of ****. Take Greta Thunberg, for example. She has a lot of criticism for the world that actually exists. The world she proposes is only possible in a land of unicorns and fairytales. She's absurdly unaware of the volume of **** she's full of. But she makes angry faces and says stuff that far left ideologues like to hear so that's the world they want too.

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

The biggest problem with it is that without having lived a bit, and suffered a bit, and overcome a bit, one probably doesn't know enough about enough to not be mostly full of ****. Take Greta Thunberg, for example. She has a lot of criticism for the world that actually exists. The world she proposes is only possible in a land of unicorns and fairytales. She's absurdly unaware of the volume of **** she's full of. But she makes angry faces and says stuff that far left ideologues like to hear so that's the world they want too.

I think there is a paper or books,.probably alot have written about it, the pendulum of prosperity, its kind if a damed if you do thing. The better people have it and the more they are sheltered from the reality of the world, the lazier and more complacent and pliable they become.

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[Keith_Indy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocqueville_effect

The Tocqueville effect (also known as the Tocqueville paradox)[1] is the phenomenon in which as social conditions and opportunities improve, social frustration grows more quickly.[2][3] The effect is based on Alexis de Tocqueville's observations on the French Revolution and later reforms in Europe and the United States. Another way to describe the effect is the aphorism "the appetite grows by what it feeds on".[4] For instance, after greater social justice is achieved, there may be more fervent opposition to even smaller social injustices than before.

Some other quotes:

It is almost never when a state of things is the most detestable that it is smashed, but when, beginning to improve, it permits men to breathe, to reflect, to communicate their thoughts with each other, and to gauge by what they already have the extent of their rights and their grievances. The weight, although less heavy, seems then all the more unbearable.

The regime which is destroyed by a revolution is almost always an improvement on its immediate predecessor, and experience teaches that the most critical moment for bad governments is the one which witnesses their first steps toward reform.

There is in fact a manly and legitimate passion for equality that spurs all men to wish to be strong and esteemed. This passion tends to elevate the lesser to the rank of the greater. But one also finds in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to want to bring the strong down to their level, and which reduces men to preferring equality in servitude to inequality in freedom. Furthermore, when citizens are all almost equal, it becomes difficult for them to defend their independence against the aggressions of power.

 

[foszoe]

People with Christian traditions born in America are taught young to spread their convictions. Politics are just another manifestation of that breeding.