Why Donald Trump is Bad for the Republican Party

[IndyDave1776]

We fired Lugar for that behavior, then willing allowed a Dem in his seat. Those responsible for this need to be held accountable.
One cannot possibly tell how many things would be different on a Federal level with locked in solid R votes and actions from Indiana. It could have even affected our limp Representatives' attitudes and actions. Who knows how they might have voted and acted knowing their constituents are not cowering PC weenies?

OK, I am getting tired enough that I wasn't putting that together correctly. I agree completely.

 

[jamil]

No way. We MUST not forget how and why we willing gave up a US Senate seat. A seat that may not come back to us for a long long time, if ever at all. Every voter (and non-voter) responsible for this needs to be reminded that it's their fault our state's senatorial votes always cancel each other out on anything even remotely controversial. We have made our state irrelevant in the Senate and that's a VERY big deal, well beyond "buthurt."

Okay. Fine. Then lets put the blame where it really belongs.

Yes. If every person who voted for whatshisname would have voted for Mourdock, Mourdock would have beat Donnelly by a scant 5K votes. Let's look at the numbers.

Romney	1,412,872
Obama	1,154,275
Johnson	50,148
Donnelly	1,268,407
Mourdock	1,126,832
Horning	146,453

The Libertarian Party candidate for president received ~50K votes. Which is the typical 1 or 2 percent fringe that Libertarian candidates always get. Libertarians are not going to vote for a Republican or a Democrat because neither are what they are. Sure, a lot of "Republicans" voted for Horning. But even if all the Republicans who voted for Horning would have voted for Mourdock, recognizing that the Libertarian voters would understandably vote for their candidate, Mourdock would still have lost.

So as it was, Mourdock lost by ~142K votes. Romney, you know, the RINO, beat Obama by ~259K votes. Why didn't all the 1.413 million Hoosiers who voted for the Republican presidential candidate, also vote for the Republican Senatorial candidate? Hmmmm?

Well, we can assume that somewhere in the neighborhood of 142K of the Hoosiers who voted for Romney, probably voted for Horning. That leaves about 117K other Hoosiers who voted for the Republican presidential candidate but didn't vote for Mourdock. So who did THEY vote for?

Well, the Democratic presidential candidate got 1,154,275 votes. The Democratic senatorial candidate, Jojo, got 1,268,407 votes, which is ~114K more than Obama got. Huh. Pretty close to the 117 that we're missing.

I think it's silly to blame the Horning voters. Okay, so you gonna blame the Romney voters who voted for Donnelly? How about blaming the Independents? They're probably the ones who put Donnelly in that seat. Maybe you could blame Republican voters who didn't even go to the polls because Romney is a RINO. Or, maybe you should blame the Republican Party. Can they find no better candidates in all of Hoosierdom than Mourdock? Maybe blame Mourdock? Can't he figure out when to keep his mouth shut?

If Republicans want a Republican candidate elected, they need to put up a candidate that can beat a putz like Donnelly. Mourdock just wasn't the guy. That the race was even close enough for a few thousand votes to anger you, well **** happens. Put up a better candidate next time. In a state where a ****ing RINO like Romney can beat Obama by that much, it is astonishing that a Republican senate candidate couldn't put up a better showing.

I guess what I'm saying, if you want to blame people, either blame the people who put up a mediocre candidate, or blame the people who exercised their right to vote for people you didn't want. So yes. Butt cream may be needed.

BTW, I voted for Mourdock, holding my nose the whole time, trying to forget his helpless Evangelical mindset, because even that is better than Jojo the union ho.

 

[bwframe]

...Blah, blah...
...I guess what I'm saying, if you want to blame people, either blame the people who put up a mediocre candidate, or blame the people who exercised their right to vote for people you didn't want. So yes. Butt cream may be needed.
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I'm blaming EVERYONE that didn't vote for our man, except for the straight ticket Dems. You should too.
Those folks need to understand this mess is way bigger than apparent, ongoing without an end in sight and it is their fault. These folks weakly fell for the media hype then piled on adding to it.

Mourdock was fine for that job, just not a perfect wordsmith in a fight. Perfect people are smart enough not to seek such jobs so we have to settle for the best who actually will run. Meanwhile, we depend on our voters not to shoot themselves and the rest of us in the foot over silly .

The next candidate won't be perfect either. It might not matter, if it takes as long to unseat Donnelly as it did Lugar.

 

[silverspoon]

I was a little bitter about the Mourdock thing for a long time. Wanted to place blame everywhere but where it needed to be placed. The fact of the matter is that Mourdock has no one to blame but himself. What a freakin' idiot. He had it wrapped up until that one question and all he had to do was blow it off but no he took the bait and blew his and our chance. Absolutely no one to blame but himself.

 

[jamil]

I'm blaming EVERYONE that didn't vote for our man, except for the straight ticket Dems. You should too.
Those folks need to understand this mess is way bigger than apparent, ongoing without an end in sight and it is their fault. These folks weakly fell for the media hype then piled on adding to it.

Mourdock was fine for that job, just not a perfect wordsmith in a fight. Perfect people are smart enough not to seek such jobs so we have to settle for the best who actually will run. Meanwhile, we depend on our voters not to shoot themselves and the rest of us in the foot over silly .

The next candidate won't be perfect either. It might not matter, if it takes as long to unseat Donnelly as it did Lugar.

yeah okay, all I wrote was "blah,blah,blah". Well, maybe you'll read what follows.

To me it does sound like you're butthurt that people didn't vote for your guy, that people dare to think differently than you do. But people get to vote for who they want. I just can't be astonished that people who voted for the moderate "RINO" for president, would also vote for the moderate candidate for senate, especially after they discovered just how conservative the Republican guy was. It's not like Indiana has never put a moderate Democrat in the US Senate before.

Mourdock held a decent lead until he showed the public just how Evangelically conservative he was. Donnelly ran as a sort of moderate, Blue Dog Democrat. But also telling people all over the state "hey, I'm a conservative too, I'm just not as conservative as that other guy". Well, that message happened to resonate with many people who are also not as conservative as Mourdock showed himself to be. They didn't vote for a party, they voted for a person. Donnelly came off as more sane than Mourdock.

I think Donnelly can be beat. I've tried to Google Donnelly's popularity rating for the ~2 1/2 years he's been a Senator. All I could find is a political rating, that he's rated as the 48th most conservative Senator. Pretty moderate. Lugar was rated as more conservative than that, but with a much worse gun control rating. We'll see in 2018 if Hoosier Republicans can field a non-fringe candidate, who can unseat Donnelly.

 

[bwframe]

...To me it does sound like you're butthurt that people didn't vote for your guy...

I don't give a crap about Mourdock. What I do care about (and you should too) is who is in our Senate seat. We took out a long time problem RINO and allowed a liberal democrat to be elected?

It's easy to blame that on one guy, but the voters are responsible for that. They took the bait and bought in to a liberal media smear campaign. Sounds like some of you are still buying it?

The other side won and they are still winning. We can blame that on one guy or we can look in the mirror to find what WE could have done differently...

 

[jamil]

So you didn't read beyond what you quoted?

 

[dusty88]

There is one good thing about Trump: he doesn't have to care about what people think of what he says. I may dislike him, and I don't know if I'll often agree with him, but it's healthy to have someone with a microphone that need not be politically correct.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

There is one good thing about Trump: he doesn't have to care about what people think of what he says. I may dislike him, and I don't know if I'll often agree with him, but it's healthy to have someone with a microphone that need not be politically correct.

I feel he is good for the party at this time.He is addressing issues which are important to most people who feel common sense change is needed.He is taking on the Politically Incorrect issues which lesser famous candidates have had as their own issues for quit some time.The debates will show he is the charlatan,but may bring the PC issues and their true Champions to the forefront. But again,I'm a Cubs fan,and I have high hopes.

 

[bwframe]

If we allow the dems their way on immigration, we will one day be outnumbered with no hope of voting them out. Complete socialism and gun bans.

Every day we don't get immigration solved, hundreds more dem voters come into the country. The Donald seems to be our only hope on getting out this message.

 

[Peter Potamus]

I was a little bitter about the Mourdock thing for a long time. Wanted to place blame everywhere but where it needed to be placed. The fact of the matter is that Mourdock has no one to blame but himself. What a freakin' idiot. He had it wrapped up until that one question and all he had to do was blow it off but no he took the bait and blew his and our chance. Absolutely no one to blame but himself.

Best post anyone will ever offer regarding the Mourdock disaster.

 

[jmpupillo]

If we allow the dems their way on immigration, we will one day be outnumbered with no hope of voting them out. Complete socialism and gun bans.

Every day we don't get immigration solved, hundreds more dem voters come into the country. The Donald seems to be our only hope on getting out this message.

Agreed. That does seem to be his biggest issue.

It's the same issue that existed between the Optimates and the Populares in Rome, just before their civil war...

 

[sbu sailor]

Are we forgetting Trump is a liberal and supported Billary? Check your history, here's a taste: Donald Trump Is Not Just A Clown, He?s A Liberal Anti-Gun Clown ? Downtrend

 

[Thor]

Also, from another thread there's this:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ssion/386089-trump-running-3.html#post5921159

He's perfectly willing to kick you off your land, using the government, if he thinks he has a better use for it.

 

[jamil]

Has anyone else heard that Dennis Rodman is endorsing Trump for president? Wow. THAT adds credibility.

 

[Libertarian01]

Has anyone else heard that Dennis Rodman is endorsing Trump for president? Wow. THAT adds credibility.

Well, if we end up with Pres Trump at least we know who our first Ambassador to North Korea will be.

Doug

 

[IndyDave1776]

Has anyone else heard that Dennis Rodman is endorsing Trump for president? Wow. THAT adds credibility.

Rodman would have endorsed Little Kim, but as a natural-born North Korean he is not eligible.

 

[miguel]

If we allow the dems their way on immigration, we will one day be outnumbered with no hope of voting them out.

Agree. But on a positive note, the pilgrims were surrounded, too. Just sayin'...

 

[tmcindy]

Trump isnt good for the Republican party NOR the Demacrat party. Thats why he has my vote if given the chance. Both parties can go to hell.

 

[Thor]

Brilliant! Then he'll take your guns, seize your home to build a lemo parking lot with your approval.