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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodFearinGunTotin View Post
    Sorry for jumping in late, so forgive me if this sentiment was expressed already...

    I tend to agree with the analogies you're trying to make 88 but there are big differences. As JK points out, soccer moms have grown comfortable with seeing homosexuals being themselves in public now. They have not done so, seeing some "operator" roaming the store with an AR at low ready.
    I really get sick and tired of having to correct people about what low ready with a rifle means. On a sling muzzle up OR down but not being held is NOT ďlow readyĒ so please stop misusing the term:

    https://specialtactics.me/home/2016/...-vs-high-ready

    Follow the link, look at the pictures and read the descriptions. Do that in a public place with a rifle and you probably deserve to get shot.

    And I acknowledge the dorks carrying ARs into Starbucks and Walmart didnít help things but thatís not what got these policies implemented. Mass shootings are.
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    Just finished reading through this. I'm all for advocating for rights in whatever form people see fit, but just wanted to reiterate please don't leave stuff around stores for employees to restock. Most retail workers already have it bad enough due to customers yelling at them (I know because I get yelled at a fair amount) and don't have any control over their employer's policies. Something like that would only make gun owners look worse instead of normalizing gun ownership and helping people to understand why this issue is important. I think the main thing that would help with gun rights at this point is outreach. Most people don't like guns because they're scared of them, so let's take the fear away and invite them to come shooting!

  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoggyDaddy View Post
    I have an Android, so I don't know if it's an option on an iphone, but I have my autocorrect and "type ahead" (where it offers "suggestions" on what it "thinks" you want to type) disabled. I found it annoying and distracting. I'll type what I want you freaking machine. Mind your own business!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahG View Post
    Just finished reading through this. I'm all for advocating for rights in whatever form people see fit, but just wanted to reiterate please don't leave stuff around stores for employees to restock. Most retail workers already have it bad enough due to customers yelling at them (I know because I get yelled at a fair amount) and don't have any control over their employer's policies. Something like that would only make gun owners look worse instead of normalizing gun ownership and helping people to understand why this issue is important. I think the main thing that would help with gun rights at this point is outreach. Most people don't like guns because they're scared of them, so let's take the fear away and invite them to come shooting!
    This is rather wise. The left has done an excellent job of portraying guns owners as a collective group of zealots. "We" need to do a better job of refocusing the narrative on solving the societal problem leading the mass shootings; not the restriction of Constitution rights. Sixty years ago you could run down to many a store and pick up a M1 carbine and stacks of 30 round mags for low low prices. No one ran around shooting up the local fair...when I was in high school, rifles often hung in the back of truck windows - no one shoot up the school. My brother-in-law even re-blued a gun in shop class....times...they have changed.
    Don't blame me....it is Turbo's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mergatroid View Post
    Thanks for your reply. But.....

    I think we can all agree that Laws start in public opinion. Enough public opinion that "those nasty people should not be allowed to open carry or concealed carry for that matter" is what greases the wheels against us.

    A strong reaction signalling we will not give up our rights, or as they say in the boardroom, push back, should be considered.

    How about taking a selfie of your empty holster and a full shopping cart in front of the service desk, where you leave the cart with a note. "This is what I would have been buying this week"?

    Push back, not lay down.

    Public opinion matters.
    A more direct approach along the same lines: Since signs don't have the force of law, just OC like you normally would while shopping. After you've got your cart mostly filled, make sure to walk by a manager or LP person. If they ask you to leave, say something along the lines of "ok, but it's a shame you won't let me buy these products." And leave the cart with the manager to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfmileharry View Post
    It's always been the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. Why would it be different now? Sure, the media is pushing this agenda and rousing up those of simple minded thinking.
    We as gun owners, 2nd Amendment supporters, hunters, sportsmen, need a strong voice, clear thinking, and able to dislodge the socialists.
    This is just the base root of a larger problem this country is breeding.
    It's time to VOTE. No more excuses and lazy behavior.
    This country is in trouble but we CAN help.
    Vote for WHO, exactly? Name a presidential candidate who will stand up for the Constitution as written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbhausen View Post
    I really get sick and tired of having to correct people about what low ready with a rifle means. On a sling muzzle up OR down but not being held is NOT ďlow readyĒ so please stop misusing the term:

    https://specialtactics.me/home/2016/...-vs-high-ready

    Follow the link, look at the pictures and read the descriptions. Do that in a public place with a rifle and you probably deserve to get shot.

    And I acknowledge the dorks carrying ARs into Starbucks and Walmart didnít help things but thatís not what got these policies implemented. Mass shootings are.
    I thought some of these idiots were carrying their long guns in their hands, were they not? (That was the impression I got from the idiot in the Walmart in Springfield). It is those situations to which I was referring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodFearinGunTotin View Post
    I thought some of these idiots were carrying their long guns in their hands, were they not? (That was the impression I got from the idiot in the Walmart in Springfield). It is those situations to which I was referring.
    I havenít seen pictures of anyone assuming a tactical position with a rifle in a big box store unless they were actually shooting someone. Some dork walks around with the rifle in both hands and shouldered I can see law-enforcement or a citizen dropping him like a sack of ****. And justifiably so. And yes, Iím really in a crappy mood about all the stuff so sorry if I got a little preachy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thompal View Post
    Vote for WHO, exactly? Name a presidential candidate who will stand up for the Constitution as written.
    I can name you 20 or so that definitely not.




  10. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahG View Post
    Just finished reading through this. I'm all for advocating for rights in whatever form people see fit, but just wanted to reiterate please don't leave stuff around stores for employees to restock. Most retail workers already have it bad enough due to customers yelling at them (I know because I get yelled at a fair amount) and don't have any control over their employer's policies. Something like that would only make gun owners look worse instead of normalizing gun ownership and helping people to understand why this issue is important. I think the main thing that would help with gun rights at this point is outreach. Most people don't like guns because they're scared of them, so let's take the fear away and invite them to come shooting!
    If we make more work for the local employees, from stocker to general manager, all we do is alienate people from our own community. They will be less inclined to agree with us as we have made our statement at their expense.
    A possible alternative is to make an itemized list of what you intended to buy, including the price. Take that list with the total dollar amount that they will no longer receive from you, and send it to corporate headquarters. Include the name of your particular store, and send them a copy as well. It takes time, but does not abuse those employed by the store to make our point.
    The general manager will be much more likely to chime in, and the message will have been sent by us as well.

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