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    Plinker

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    Gun Community Myopic and Asleep. Ideas for action needed.

    Regarding the Kroger/Walmart/ CVS/ Walgreen's etc, etc, etc. massive "virtue signal" project that is underway. I am amazed how short sighted some of our fellows in the gun community appear.

    I actually heard someone who I consider "smart" say, "It does not effect me, I don't open carry."

    Wow, just wow. I'm having a hard time equating that logic with a simile. Can someone help me out!

    "I don't have daughters so sexual assaults don't effect me"? Or "I'm not Jewish so antisemitism does not raise my ire"? Or "I don't carry cash so no one would mug me."?

    Losing gun rights in the courts and the legislatures is one thing, losing them in public opinion without any push back is foolish and inexcusable.

    We need some ideas on how to turn this around.

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    I'm not saying it doesn't bother me. It does. But there is no comparison between losses in legislature and courts to rules that a private sector business puts in place which is their right to do, whether I like it or not.

    I am in no way a Fudd or a butter (as in those that say they support the 2nd but...), however courts and legislature is what really matters. I'm not looking to support these businesses, and I will definitely say their calls for more gun control crosses a line... These businesses should stay out of lobbying against my rights.
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    Plinker

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    Thanks for your reply. But.....

    I think we can all agree that Laws start in public opinion. Enough public opinion that "those nasty people should not be allowed to open carry or concealed carry for that matter" is what greases the wheels against us.

    A strong reaction signalling we will not give up our rights, or as they say in the boardroom, push back, should be considered.

    How about taking a selfie of your empty holster and a full shopping cart in front of the service desk, where you leave the cart with a note. "This is what I would have been buying this week"?

    Push back, not lay down.

    Public opinion matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebSnyper View Post
    I'm not saying it doesn't bother me. It does. But there is no comparison between losses in legislature and courts to rules that a private sector business puts in place which is their right to do, whether I like it or not.

    I am in no way a Fudd or a butter (as in those that say they support the 2nd but...), however courts and legislature is what really matters. I'm not looking to support these businesses, and I will definitely say their calls for more gun control crosses a line... These businesses should stay out of lobbying against my rights.
    These businesses are running scared. Scared of the tribal backlash of a group of loudmouthed rock throwing protesters and the pressures being put on them from corporate to act like they actually care.This is all about legality's and isolation from actions. Lawyers to the left of me jokers to the right.
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    Push back....OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    These businesses are running scared. Scared of the tribal backlash of a group of loudmouthed rock throwing protesters and the pressures being put on them from corporate to act like they actually care.This is all about legality's and isolation from actions. Lawyers to the left of me jokers to the right.
    +1 CM. Agreed. The sad truth is it is just a handful that cause the backlash, and it all leads to thuggery by the mass anarchy-prone mobs.
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    Gun owners and citizens that see that these actions equates to a "Jim Crowing" of law abiding people who were dumb enough to believe the Constitution. Us.
    Last edited by mergatroid; 1 Week Ago at 03:59.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mergatroid View Post
    Thanks for your reply. But.....

    I think we can all agree that Laws start in public opinion. Enough public opinion that "those nasty people should not be allowed to open carry or concealed carry for that matter" is what greases the wheels against us.

    A strong reaction signalling we will not give up our rights, or as they say in the boardroom, push back, should be considered.

    How about taking a selfie of your empty holster and a full shopping cart in front of the service desk, where you leave the cart with a note. "This is what I would have been buying this week"?

    Push back, not lay down.

    Public opinion matters.
    That’s an interesting idea. If a number of people would do their normal shopping and then just walk away from the cart after making it known that they are an open carrier by uncovering an empty holster, it might make the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 88E30M50 View Post
    That’s an interesting idea. If a number of people would do their normal shopping and then just walk away from the cart after making it known that they are an open carrier by uncovering an empty holster, it might make the point.
    Interesting, empty holster events have been used successfully on college campuses. It would need to be a large and well coordinated event. The problem at colleges is they don't have holsters. We don't have that problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mergatroid View Post
    Regarding the Kroger/Walmart/ CVS/ Walgreen's etc, etc, etc. massive "virtue signal" project that is underway. I am amazed how short sighted some of our fellows in the gun community appear.

    I actually heard someone who I consider "smart" say, "It does not effect me, I don't open carry."

    Wow, just wow. I'm having a hard time equating that logic with a simile. Can someone help me out!

    "I don't have daughters so sexual assaults don't effect me"? Or "I'm not Jewish so antisemitism does not raise my ire"? Or "I don't carry cash so no one would mug me."?

    Losing gun rights in the courts and the legislatures is one thing, losing them in public opinion without any push back is foolish and inexcusable.

    We need some ideas on how to turn this around.
    It's always been the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. Why would it be different now? Sure, the media is pushing this agenda and rousing up those of simple minded thinking.
    We as gun owners, 2nd Amendment supporters, hunters, sportsmen, need a strong voice, clear thinking, and able to dislodge the socialists.
    This is just the base root of a larger problem this country is breeding.
    It's time to VOTE. No more excuses and lazy behavior.
    This country is in trouble but we CAN help.
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