Blame the shooter, not the gear

[rbrthenderson]

He got on the trigger quick because he wanted to shoot quick. His holster magnified the error because it requires the trigger finger to apply pressure to unlock the pistol.


Everybody SAYS they follow the 4 safety rules, but most shooters don't. Honestly, they really don't. They fail to handle guns purposefully and they often make excuses for the bad gun handling they get called on.

Right, and it was bad gun handling that caused this ND. Nothing to do with the holster. If he trained correctly with the Serpa, then this wouldn't have happened. He shouldn't have been swapping around holsters and weapons and then attempting to run full speed drills.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

BTW, next time I'm in downtown Lafayette Kirk and you see a Miller Lite or Coors Light beer truck and don't ask if IndyBeerman is there, you owe me a box of .45's (been there the last 2 Thursdays).

Hah, Freeman pays his debts!

 

[lovemachine]

WOW. This video makes me feel a lot better about only having one pistol and one holster.
(Glock 19 in a MTAC)

Thanks Shay, for posting this.

 

[rbrthenderson]

WOW. This video makes me feel a lot better about only having one pistol and one holster.
(Glock 19 in a MTAC)

You better be careful, I hear those Glock's will just fire for no reason....then they'll get too hot and melt and not be able to fire at all...

 

[Que]

I'm glad the guy is alright. There is a lot to learn from his mistake. One of the more important lessons is having a first aid kit and knowing how to use it, which he did.

 

[revance]

I either use a Crossbreed Supertuck for concealment or a Blackhawk Serpa for OC...

I see absolutely no way a person could get their finger on the trigger while using a Blackhawk holster where it wouldn't be 100% their fault.

The button is above the trigger guard right where you SHOULD be indexing your finger. To make it even more stupid proof, there is a very deep groove that extends from the button to the top of your holster to make sure your finger is on the side of the frame when the gun exits the holster.

I tried (using an unloaded pistol) to draw from my Blackhawk Serpa and get my finger on the trigger where a ND could happen and couldn't make myself do it.

 

[MilitaryArms]

Guys, stress is also a factor. Testing a Serpa in your living room with an unloaded pistol or blue gun is a low stress event. When people get jacked up and try to go fast (in competition, class or defense) the dynamic changes and the thing you did 1000 times slow can have very different outcomes.

Just be aware of what the design is asking your body to do. Nobody plans on shooting themselves. I doubt Tex thought this would happen to him or he probably wouldn't have owned the thing, right?

I agree completely. When the Suarez staff pointed out this design flaw (which I now believe it is) some time back to me after I posted a review of the SERPA on my channel, I couldn't duplicate the condition. As you mentioned, that's because I lacked the stress factor.

I've since come to the conclusion that the SERPA is inherently flawed and increases the risk of an AD.

 

[dice dealer]

Plastic and tupperware belong in the kitchen .....I always carry steal and leather .

 

[jason765]

he took it like a champ, pretty sure i would have fell down or stumbled, staggered or something, this is absolutely his fault, just saying he took a .45acp to the leg and stayed on his feet, hats off to you NDer

 

[MilitaryArms]

he took it like a champ, pretty sure i would have fell down or stumbled, staggered or something, this is absolutely his fault, just saying he took a .45acp to the leg and stayed on his feet, hats off to you NDer

I'm convinced he had a .22 LR conversion kit installed. There's no way it was a .45 ACP because if what I read on the internet is true, it should have knocked him down or toss him 20ft through the air into the tree line.

 

[dice dealer]

I'm convinced he had a .22 LR conversion kit installed. There's no way it was a .45 ACP because if what I read on the internet is true, it should have knocked him down or toss him 20ft through the air into the tree line.

I agree everything I have seen on the net , you can shoot someone in the Pinky toe with a .45 acp and it instantly kills them

 

[Jackson]

A real man would have finished the drill after putting the round through his leg.

 

[Steve MI]

Shay, you cant preach to he deaf those that have never run in stress drills and more will never get it.

 

[Fargo]

Guys, stress is also a factor. Testing a Serpa in your living room with an unloaded pistol or blue gun is a low stress event. When people get jacked up and try to go fast (in competition, class or defense) the dynamic changes and the thing you did 1000 times slow can have very different outcomes.

Just be aware of what the design is asking your body to do. Nobody plans on shooting themselves. I doubt Tex thought this would happen to him or he probably wouldn't have owned the thing, right?

Well, since I've had the opportunity to use that holster many times in competition (including this morning), more than once in class, and have even used it in a real life defense situation without any inadvertent trigger contact; I'm having a hard time figuring out why most everyone here is blaming the gear rather than the operator....

Am I the only one here that finds it ironic that a thread titled:

Blame the shooter, not the gear

begins with the OP blaming the gear and everyone else jumping on?




Joe

 

[Fargo]

I agree completely. When the Suarez staff pointed out this design flaw (which I now believe it is) some time back to me after I posted a review of the SERPA on my channel, I couldn't duplicate the condition. As you mentioned, that's because I lacked the stress factor.

I've since come to the conclusion that the SERPA is inherently flawed and increases the risk of an AD.

So you and everyone else here have duplicated the "stress factor" and had inadvertent trigger contact? Or are you just buying the Suarez byline because it sounds good and seems to make sense?

Joe

 

[Fargo]

Shay, you cant preach to he deaf those that have never run in stress drills and more will never get it.

Serious question:

How many stress drills have you run with a Serpa and how many inadvertent trigger contacts have you had?

Joe

 

[IndyBeerman]

Serious question:

How many stress drills have you run with a Serpa and how many inadvertent trigger contacts have you had?

Joe

Me,

Stress skills -NONE

Being able to realize a design flaw that could cause injury is priceless.

I put the Serpa on, did about 15 withdraws with my 1911 empty and immediately seen that in a panic situation while cocked and locked that I could easily inadvertently slide the finger in and engage the trigger from pressure to release the retention lock.

While I did'nt sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it staring you right in the eyes, and that it can happen easier than you think.

BTW I'm a mere novice, but Shay and FullAuto, they have experience unlike anything I will or others will ever have.

 

[techres]

Yep, same reason I am not excited about students under pressure with that BAD lever on the AR's. Getting the trigger finger itchy and into motion before you want it to drop onto the bang switch is a recipe for concern.

Is it a 100% problem - no. There are untold numbers of the serpa out there. It is only in a statistacally small number that an excited gun owner hooks up that booger flicker and not only releases the holster mechanism but also goes right on to push the bang switch.

His finger, his fault. But I am gonna keep it from being my fault by buying a different holster personally.

 

[revsaxon]

I carry in a glock blackhawk cqc holster, and for the life of me I can't figure out how I physically COULD get my finger into the trigger guard while drawing. If I bend my finger it doesn't reach the release button, and when my finger is straight it slides along and above the trigger. Takes some pretty (in my opinion) stupid moves to get the finger IN the trigger while drawing.

Maybe this isnt the case on a 1911 gun, I don't have a SERPA holster for mine so I can't say for sure.

 

[JohnP82]

Thanks for sharing this video and I do give respect for the guy in the video for sharing it as well, so hopefully he can save someone else the same incident. While I do not fully agree with all of the statements about the SERPA holster that have been stated (as I use one with my G27) I have no problems with people's concerns about them and I did read and think about each of them carefully. To each his own and that is ok. There are many good points between the video and many statements in this thread.