I HATE THIEVES

[Denny347]

Read the post, Denny. It was a rifle and shotgun secured (locked) in the commonly seen roof mounted rack. I'm not calling out your knowledge or experience but I think my neighbor's belief was this was 'precaution enough' against petty theft. In hindsight, the thief knew what he was doing and what he was after. And sorry, I can't imagine a long gun safe that would fit in the back seat area of a Crown Vic. You're a LEO, would you want to take the time to get your rifle out of a safe when you needed it in a hurry? I'm not a LEO and I wouldn't!


This is why we moved here, to get away from this. Guess not.

Sorry bro, it was a generalization and not specific to this incident. I was saying that I could see a good azz chewing if he left his duty pistol sitting on the rear seat. However, seeing that he, like most of us, take REASONABLE precautions against theft, he is not to blame. Any person, LEO or not, that takes reasonable precautions should feel little guilt.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I was not aware that you knew the victim officer that well.

Don't know him, but I get to talk to his boss about getting people's property back so I get the lecture then.

"Our officers would NEVER be THIS irresponsible. If you own a gun then YOU are strictly liable for it."

Let's hope this officer does not have to live up to the standard that his bosses want applied to non-badges.

 

[indyjohn]

Sorry bro, it was a generalization and not specific to this incident. I was saying that I could see a good azz chewing if he left his duty pistol sitting on the rear seat. However, seeing that he, like most of us, take REASONABLE precautions against theft, he is not to blame. Any person, LEO or not, that takes reasonable precautions should feel little guilt.

No worries. I want to point out that he and I were both amazed that a thief could tear the entire rack out of the car.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I want to point out that he and I were both amazed that a thief could tear the entire rack out of the car.

Do enough burglaries and you'll see all kinds of effort.

15 years ago I saw a change machine pulled out of a wall at a car wash (with a pick up truck and chain). Nothing like prison for $217.00.

 

[Expat]

Seems like the last time this came up, we found out that some departments even frown on them being taken inside. I think it was a theft up North and the article said the department required them to stay locked in the police vehicle. So you may want to hold off on the stoning.

 

[indyjohn]

Do enough burglaries and you'll see all kinds of effort.

15 years ago I saw a change machine pulled out of a wall at a car wash (with a pick up truck and chain). Nothing like prison for $217.00.

Sooo... you're suggesting that my 400lb safe that is on the 2nd floor of my house is not 'safe' from thievery?

 

[Expat]

Sooo... you're suggesting that my 400lb safe that is on the 2nd floor of my house is not 'safe' from thievery?

Tie a chain around it, through the nearest window, hitch it to the truck and pull it through the side wall. If it still won't open, put it in the bed of the truck and take it home.

 

[indyjohn]

Tie a chain around it, through the nearest window, hitch it to the truck and pull it through the side wall. If it still won't open, put it in the bed of the truck and take it home.

That is just annoying.. I'm busting Kirk's balls for entertainment purposes only. That's what I do when someone brings up a reality that I don't want to take delivery on. I get it that nothing, really, is safe.

Back to topic: I feel bad for my neighbor. He's a good guy and I know he is beating himself up over something that, until this morning, would have been hard to reasonably anticipate.

 

[MrSmitty]

Should be easy enough to find the guy...carrying a shotgun, an M-4, and waddling because of the BIG balls!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Sooo... you're suggesting that my 400lb safe that is on the 2nd floor of my house is not 'safe' from thievery?

We lost a safe when I worked at Galyan's. Carried it right out of the store during one night burglary. (They used to hide in the ceilings and drop down at night and then fill bags full of handguns. That's why we started putting the pistols in safes back in '90).

However, I've seen safes broken into in a few different ways. By far the most popular for home safes is to tip it over and then bang on a corner and then use a (big) pry bar to peel it open like an old fashion sardine can. They fish the guns out through the top. Sometimes even holding a skinny kid to go inside and then pulling him out by his ankles.

The cutting into safes with torches I've done have all been commerical so the crew knew what was where and what was in it.

 

[indyjohn]

We lost a safe when I worked at Galyan's. Carried it right out of the store during one night burglary. (They used to hide in the ceilings and drop down at night and then fill bags full of handguns. That's why we started putting the pistols in safes back in '90).

However, I've seen safes broken into in a few different ways. By far the most popular for home safes is to tip it over and then bang on a corner and then use a (big) pry bar to peel it open like an old fashion sardine can. They fish the guns out through the top. Sometimes even holding a skinny kid to go inside and then pulling him out by his ankles.

The cutting into safes with torches I've done have all been commerical so the crew knew what was where and what was in it.

This does not make me happy. I don't think the quality of my safe lends itself to be pryed open in that fashion. But the thought of the damage to my house if they tried to drag it downstairs and out the door makes me sick.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Have you considered hiding it? My brother built a false room for his safes.

Just an idea.

When I build I'll be making a vault like some of the FBI armouries I've seen. The one at Indy is really cool.

 

[IndyGunner]

There is not a department policy requiring him to take them inside his home.

There is a difference between policy and logic.

 

[45calibre]

Ok. I'm open to looking past my sympathy for my neighbor, who is a nice guy and didn't deserve this.

Sooo... you're suggesting he knows this happens and should have been wise enough to take precautions by moving the guns in and out when not on duty rather than believe ~no one~ in their right mind would break into a cruiser on a fairly well lit street?

yes

 

[indyjohn]

Have you considered hiding it? My brother built a false room for his safes.

Just an idea.

When I build I'll be making a vault like some of the FBI armouries I've seen. The one at Indy is really cool.

Not this house, hopefully the next one. A friend of mine did the same as your brother. It's very cool and truely "hidden in plain sight".

 

[Mr Evilwrench]

Yes, put as much expense into it as you want. If it's worth that much to protect it, it's worth however much it costs to steal it. As inventive as you are protecting something, someone will probably find some low budget punk way over, around, or through what you've done. Just do your best and hope for lazy unenterprising thieves. Most of them are, anyway. If they're not, you'll just frustrate yourself.

 

[Prometheus]

As I've bragged before, our neighborhood is nearly 50% LEO. Crime [STRIKE]doesn't[/STRIKE] happens here. Now I'm angry...

FIFY.

Cop had his guns locked up. Is it reasonable to expect him to unlock them and bring them both inside every night and back out every morning? Not really.

Perhaps they should put alarms on their cars? They already have the sirens, lol.

 

[lrahm]

I get out of my car each night and look what is in plain view and left in the trunk. The worse I would be out is a large container (very large) of OC spray and my departmental cell phone. I would probably leave the door open if they would only take the phone.

 

[45calibre]

Have you considered hiding it? My brother built a false room for his safes.

Just an idea.

When I build I'll be making a vault like some of the FBI armouries I've seen. The one at Indy is really cool.

details!

 

[indyjohn]

FIFY.

Cop had his guns locked up. Is it reasonable to expect him to unlock them and bring them both inside every night and back out every morning? Not really.

Perhaps they should put alarms on their cars? They already have the sirens, lol.

What a remarkably simple solution...