Incident at Ireland TCU in South Bend

[CPT Nervous]

And some people take their personal business too seriously. Referring to a police officer (even a Roseland cop) as a security guard, no matter how ignorant he is, is just plain dumb. And I wouldn't give up the personal service I get from my bank because of their "no guns" sign - I just CC right past it - I'm protecting myself, and no one is the wiser.

Okay. First of all, an off duty cop acting as a security guard, is a security guard. It isn't dumb to refer to a person as a security guard if that's what they are.

Second, just because you don't have personal morals does not mean that I don't. I WILL NOT spend money or do business with ANY establishment that does not respect my rights. If my bank ever puts up a no guns sign, I'm going right to the manager and closing all my accounts that day. Hell, they were gonna let me carry, just not openly, and I was ready to close them.

I do not sacrifice my values for anyone. You may be a weaker man, but I am not.

Unless there is an imminent threat, getting in someone's face about carrying just reinforces the stereotype of the "crazy gun nut". Based on the information that was presented, I think the OP handled it pretty well - stated his case, let the business know how he felt about the situation, and was willing to take his business elsewhere without being a jerk about it.

I got in no one's face. I explained that I would give no quarter on the issue, as you seem to understand. Why bring that up?

 

[Hotdoger]

And some people take their personal business too seriously. Referring to a police officer (even a Roseland cop) as a security guard, no matter how ignorant he is, is just plain dumb. And I wouldn't give up the personal service I get from my bank because of their "no guns" sign - I just CC right past it - I'm protecting myself, and no one is the wiser.
He was working as a security guard tryingy to say different is just plain dumb.. You want to violate a business policy fine but THEY are not giving you "personal service" . You are faking them out to get service , nothing to be proud of.



Unless there is an imminent threat, getting in someone's face about carrying just reinforces the stereotype of the "crazy gun nut".
Fail. Reread the OP. The security guard initiated the encounter and tried to enforce a policy that was not really the CU policy.


Based on the information that was presented, I think the OP handled it pretty well - stated his case, let the business know how he felt about the situation, and was willing to take his business elsewhere without being a jerk about it.

Based on your post you get an F.

 

[Josh Ward]

Me thinks you are being a bit stubborn. Sure you have a right to carry openly--no one is arguing that point--but---in this day and age with all the shootings going on---you are hurting all of us gun owners. Consideration for others---especially when entering a bank or credit union---is certainly warrented. Just my opinon--

Me thinks we need NEG rep back for assinine comments such as this

 

[rugertoter]

Me thinks you are being a bit stubborn. Sure you have a right to carry openly--no one is arguing that point--but---in this day and age with all the shootings going on---you are hurting all of us gun owners. Consideration for others---especially when entering a bank or credit union---is certainly warrented. Just my opinon--

Even though I don't agree with having to go the extra mile just to keep some CU employees from "freaking out", I probably would have just to make them feel at ease. Just being polite.

 

[actaeon277]

Even though I don't agree with having to go the extra mile just to keep some CU employees from "freaking out", I probably would have just to make them feel at ease. Just being polite.

Since a LOT of people have been injured by cars, maybe we should think of the victim's feelings and not drive anywhere.

And can you believe the nerve of people bringing baseball bats to little league games?
Have you seen the numbers of people injured/killed by baseball bats?

 

[CathyInBlue]

Me to said security guard in OP's place, "The emotional stability and/or psychotherapy of other people is not my responsiblity, but their respect, and yours, for my inherent, individual, Constitutional rights is mandatory."

 

[LP1]

...just because you don't have personal morals does not mean that I don't. .. You may be a weaker man, but I am not.
...

How dare you make personal attacks against someone that you don't even know? I'd like to say exactly what I think of you; however, unlike you I won't say something over the internet that I would not say to someone's face. (If you do say things like that in person, I'll bet you get in a lot of fights.)

 

[SmileDocHill]

How dare you make personal attacks against someone that you don't even know? I'd like to say exactly what I think of you; however, unlike you I won't say something over the internet that I would not say to someone's face. (If you do say things like that in person, I'll bet you get in a lot of fights.)

Calm down and don't escalate this. He was just rebutting your advice to change what he feels is important by behaving in a manor that is dictated by illogical masses rather than his particular morals.

 

[ticktwrter]

And I did that exact thing to another officer who told me that I couldn't carry at all into the credit union. I told him he was wrong.

In this case, the branch manager asked him to say something. I have worked security. It's what I do now, though I start at Brinks very soon. I understand that he was doing as he instructed. He has seen me carry countless times into this building. He is always very polite, and smiles and nods at me. Never said anything about the gun.

If the manager asked him to do it, I don't blame him for doing it. I was never asked for my LTCH, I was never asked to disarm, I was never asked to leave. The manager straightened everything out, and said that as long as I'm properly licensed, there is no issue with open carry.

The cop was just doing his job, right up until the point where he tried to tell me that concealed is better. I just quit listening at that point. I told him I didn't agree, and left it at that.

Why is the officer's opinion any less valid than yours. He has the right to his opinion as much as you do. I am an officer and prefer to CC when off duty. I don't get excited when I see someone OC.

 

[Caleb]

Why is the officer's opinion any less valid than yours. He has the right to his opinion as much as you do. I am an officer and prefer to CC when off duty. I don't get excited when I see someone OC.

Less to do with officer's right to his opinion and more then do with the officer asserting his opinion onto OP...

 

[LP1]

Calm down and don't escalate this. He was just rebutting your advice to change what he feels is important by behaving in a manor that is dictated by illogical masses rather than his particular morals.

I'm not escalating anything - I'm just calling a personal attack what it is. Name-calling and personal attacks are not a "rebuttal" - such behavior is just plain rude.

Please note that there was another post that was very critical of my comments. However, that post was based on a difference of opinion, not personal insults, so I have no complaint about it.

 

[Caleb]

I'm not escalating anything - I'm just calling a personal attack what it is. Name-calling and personal attacks are not a "rebuttal" - such behavior is just plain rude.

Please note that there was another post that was very critical of my comments. However, that post was based on a difference of opinion, not personal insults, so I have no complaint about it.

 

[CathyInBlue]

Why is the officer's opinion any less valid than yours. He has the right to his opinion as much as you do. I am an officer and prefer to CC when off duty. I don't get excited when I see someone OC.

You might want to peruse IC 35-47-11.1-2 and -11.1-3. Pay particular attention to the phrasing of -3, to wit, "exercise of proprietary authority". You "sharing" your opinion on OC/CC to a buddy off the clock and out of uniform is one thing. You "sharing" your opinion on OC/CC to someone you are having a professional contact with while on duty in uniform opens you and the political subdivision who employs you up to some pretty heinous consequences.

 

[MikeDVB]

Me thinks you are being a bit stubborn. Sure you have a right to carry openly--no one is arguing that point--but---in this day and age with all the shootings going on---you are hurting all of us gun owners. Consideration for others---especially when entering a bank or credit union---is certainly warrented. Just my opinon--

He has the right to carry openly, and he also has the right to choose to bank elsewhere if the bank does not respect his rights. Nothing stubborn about that - quite a few of us vote with our wallets.

By your logic Rosa Parks was just being "stubborn"..

She was - but I'm not saying anything bad about it. I'm glad she was stubborn.

2: How utterly illogical is it to tell someone to cover up a gun, AFTER THEY HAVE SEEN IT? The gun is still there, they KNOW he has it, but it is somehow less dangerous if it is covered? I have never, and will never, understand that lack of logic..

Heh - it's people that have never handled nor have any sort of understanding of guns beyond, "Used to kill people." I know people that will visibly get upset to the point of shaking just upon seeing a gun in person - it's illogical fear but fear none-the-less.

 

[CPT Nervous]

How dare you make personal attacks against someone that you don't even know? I'd like to say exactly what I think of you; however, unlike you I won't say something over the internet that I would not say to someone's face. (If you do say things like that in person, I'll bet you get in a lot of fights.)

It wasn't a personal attack, and I apologize if you took it that way. All I meant was that I do not give up what I believe in to appease others. Giving up rights for the sake of appeasement, or actually for any reason, is a sign of weakness. My post was meant to illustrate that. I should have elaborated.

Calm down and don't escalate this. He was just rebutting your advice to change what he feels is important by behaving in a manor that is dictated by illogical masses rather than his particular morals.

Exactly. Thanks.

Why is the officer's opinion any less valid than yours. (Needs a question mark.) He has the right to his opinion as much as you do. I am an officer and prefer to CC when off duty. I don't get excited when I see someone OC.

That isn't the issue we're discussing. He was serving in the role of a security guard. His "advice" was unwarranted and inappropriate. I have been carrying open for a while, now. I understand the benefits of it, and I have made my choice. It'd be like seeing someone driving a Ford, and trying to convince them that Chevys are better. I don't care what your opinion on the matter is, I'm going to drive my Ford, because that's what I like to do.

It's okay for him to have his opinion, just not to force it on me.

After reading you post a few more times, I have absolutely no idea why you posted that.

Less to do with officer's right to his opinion and more then do with the officer asserting his opinion onto OP...

Bingo.

 

[357 Terms]

Typical OC thread.

Whining about a "incident" (poorly worded)

Then attacking members who are even the slightest critical of your opinion.

Don't you guys have a sticky to share these fascinating stories with each other?

That way you don't start a thread where there are more posts attacking other members than there are discussing this banal interaction.

 

[churchmouse]

I am a TCU member. I bank here in Indy with them. I have been asked to conceal in one of the branchs by the security on site. He was very polite, I did not realize my shirt had raised and exposed the gun so I just as politely covered it.
I saw no need to push an agenda. I was asked in a polite manner to please cover it while in the bank and I responded in kind.
Officer did comment on how nice my 1911 was over his plastic gun............

 

[CPT Nervous]

Typical OC thread.

Whining about a "incident" (poorly worded)

Then attacking members who are even the slightest critical of your opinion.

Don't you guys have a sticky to share these fascinating stories with each other?

That way you don't start a thread where there are more posts attacking other members than there are discussing this banal interaction.

I open carry. I was told not to. That isn't cool.

How would you feel if someone told you that you couldn't do the thing you do every day? How would you feel if idiots on the internet said you shouldn't do that thing you do every day, because they have everything figured out, and element of surprise, and first one shot?

I am a TCU member. I bank here in Indy with them. I have been asked to conceal in one of the branchs by the security on site. He was very polite, I did not realize my shirt had raised and exposed the gun so I just as politely covered it.
I saw no need to push an agenda. I was asked in a polite manner to please cover it while in the bank and I responded in kind.
Officer did comment on how nice my 1911 was over his plastic gun............

Yeah, but I do not carry concealed. If I did, and my shirt rode up, it would be a bit different. I carry OWB, and I tuck in my shirt, that way, it doesn't accidentally get covered.

I'm not going to let anyone dictate how I live. I do not respond with compliance at attempts to stifle my freedom.

 

[Hotdoger]

Typical OC thread.

Whining about a "incident" (poorly worded)

Then attacking members who are even the slightest critical of your opinion.

Don't you guys have a sticky to share these fascinating stories with each other?

That way you don't start a thread where there are more posts attacking other members than there are discussing this banal interaction.

Typical Oc hater post. Don't you have a sticky to share your hater stories with the other haters?

 

[j706]

OMG not another one. Grow the hell up guys! SHeezzz.