Incident at Ireland TCU in South Bend

[daddymikey1975]

Me thinks you are being a bit stubborn. Sure you have a right to carry openly--no one is arguing that point--but---in this day and age with all the shootings going on---you are hurting all of us gun owners. Consideration for others---especially when entering a bank or credit union---is certainly warrented. Just my opinon--

I would normally pass on the bait, but today I just don't care.....

What about consideration for the person that's being asked to cover?

Why do I have to be responsible for the happiness and comfort of others ?

All that's being 'done' is carrying a piece of steel and plastic. What's the problem

If they're scared of motorcycles, should I be considerate and not ride mine to the bank ?

Just sayin'

 

[Kirk Freeman]

-1 to the officer who tried to impose his opinion on me.

This was a Heckler's Veto. For those on INGO unfamiliar with a Heckler's Veto, that was it.

Heckler's veto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Caleb]

This was a Heckler's Veto. For those on INGO unfamiliar with a Heckler's Veto, that was it.

Heckler's veto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good info...should belong in the FAQ

 

[daddymikey1975]

This was a Heckler's Veto. For those on INGO unfamiliar with a Heckler's Veto, that was it.

Heckler's veto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've always wondered what a heckler's veto is and was too lazy to google it.

Thanks for sharing

 

[Hotdoger]

This was a Heckler's Veto. For those on INGO unfamiliar with a Heckler's Veto, that was it.

Heckler's veto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And Nat Hentoff thinks it is a "right".....

I think there is some validity to the -1 post.
To me one would assume to receive banking advice when doing business with a bank not demands by a security officer that are not bank policy.

 

[45fan]

Should one expect to have the security guards opinion forced on themselves when they go to a Bank/CU to do business?
I would not think the Bank execs would expect their customers to endure this.
It is obvious from the OPs interaction the security officer really didn't know CU policy and was talking out his butt. He should have kept his mouth shut instead of bothering the CU customers.

It didnt sound like the officer forced his opinion on anyone, at least not any more than someone who OCs their side arm. If I dont want to know ones opinion on OC, yet they walk around with a gun in plain sight, how is that not forcing an opinion on someone? The initial interaction sounded like it was on the behalf of those who work in the CU. Those are the people who that security guard is there to make feel safe, and at there request, he interacted with the OP, and shared his opinion as a result of the interaction.

It would be not the least bit different if you were kissing another man on the sidewalk, and someone else took offense to it and said something to you to that effect. Does that make either of you any more right than the other? No, not really, but you both have the right to have differing opinions, and to offend one another as long as you do not infringe on the others rights or well being.
The guard addressed the concerns of those he was there to protect, followed a civilized and reasonable procedure to clear the CU policy on the matter up, and in conversation with the OP during the interaction shared an opinion. At no time did the OP mention he was threatened with civil or criminal action, of forcible expulsion from the premises. If you expect to go about you day and not interact with anyone beyond your own choosing, perhaps you are safest living your life at a keyboard, and never leaving the house

 

[jbombelli]

Me thinks you are being a bit stubborn. Sure you have a right to carry openly--no one is arguing that point--but---in this day and age with all the shootings going on---you are hurting all of us gun owners. Consideration for others---especially when entering a bank or credit union---is certainly warrented. Just my opinon--

He's not hurting ME.

The whining, namby pamby, cowardly bleats of the sheep are no concern of mine.

If you want the carrying of a firearm to be truly accepted by the populace at large, if you want them to see it as a normal, everyday thing, you need to make them aware that lots of people carry guns all around them every day. If you cover it up all you do is reinforce their opinion that it's not normal to carry a firearm.

 

[Hotdoger]

It didnt sound like the officer forced his opinion on anyone, at least not any more than someone who OCs their side arm. If I dont want to know ones opinion on OC, yet they walk around with a gun in plain sight, how is that not forcing an opinion on someone? The initial interaction sounded like it was on the behalf of those who work in the CU. Those are the people who that security guard is there to make feel safe, and at there request, he interacted with the OP, and shared his opinion as a result of the interaction.

It would be not the least bit different if you were kissing another man on the sidewalk, and someone else took offense to it and said something to you to that effect. Does that make either of you any more right than the other? No, not really, but you both have the right to have differing opinions, and to offend one another as long as you do not infringe on the others rights or well being.
The guard addressed the concerns of those he was there to protect, followed a civilized and reasonable procedure to clear the CU policy on the matter up, and in conversation with the OP during the interaction shared an opinion. At no time did the OP mention he was threatened with civil or criminal action, of forcible expulsion from the premises. If you expect to go about you day and not interact with anyone beyond your own choosing, perhaps you are safest living your life at a keyboard, and never leaving the house

Me and you must have read different posts.

 

[Cameramonkey]

-1 to the officer who tried to impose his opinion on me.

So when are you renouncing your INGO membership and going somewhere else?

 

[KG1]

It would be like someone saying "I am scared of dogs!", but feeling more at ease if you threw a sheet over it.

BOOOO!

 

[LP1]

I would have told the manager I was there for banking business not unwanted advice from a security guard.

Now that's a way to win friends and influence people!

 

[andski3]

It didnt sound like the officer forced his opinion on anyone, at least not any more than someone who OCs their side arm. If I dont want to know ones opinion on OC, yet they walk around with a gun in plain sight, how is that not forcing an opinion on someone?

How exactly is OC forcing an opinion on anyone? By OC'ing I am not telling anyone that they need to expose their firearm. I am just going about my day.
By your logic I am forcing my opinion, that guys should have short hair, on everyone when I leave my house. (I don't really care how people wear their hair.)
If you want to CC good for you. If you want to OC, again good for you.

I blame facebook. That is why every gives a crap what everyone else is doing. Who cares. If I/you are not endangering anyone then go about your day, because I know I am.

 

[Hotdoger]

Now that's a way to win friends and influence people!

Some take their personal business seriously.

Others like being jerked around by people that really don't know as much as they think they know.

 

[Farmritch]

I will say this about roseland cops, they do indeed have attitudes. They even blew me crap when I was a town Marshall in another town.
Badges with attitudes and this comes from someone who used to wear a badge!

 

[Spike_351]

Me thinks you are being a bit stubborn. Sure you have a right to carry openly--no one is arguing that point--but---in this day and age with all the shootings going on---you are hurting all of us gun owners. Consideration for others---especially when entering a bank or credit union---is certainly warrented. Just my opinon--

holy ****....first reply.....Congratulations you just set a new record......

 

[Bigtanker]

Did you walk from Martins on Ironwood and have your gun in a drop led holster?

 

[mrobnoxious1]

I carry at TCU in Plymouth, no problems.

 

[CPT Nervous]

Did you walk from Martins on Ironwood and have your gun in a drop led holster?

No, but I'm trying to convince him to carry ARs over there...

 

[CPT Nervous]

I carry at TCU in Plymouth, no problems.

I carry at TCU in South Bend, no problems. Well, except this time.

 

[LP1]

Some take their personal business seriously.

Others like being jerked around by people that really don't know as much as they think they know.

And some people take their personal business too seriously. Referring to a police officer (even a Roseland cop) as a security guard, no matter how ignorant he is, is just plain dumb. And I wouldn't give up the personal service I get from my bank because of their "no guns" sign - I just CC right past it - I'm protecting myself, and no one is the wiser.

Unless there is an imminent threat, getting in someone's face about carrying just reinforces the stereotype of the "crazy gun nut". Based on the information that was presented, I think the OP handled it pretty well - stated his case, let the business know how he felt about the situation, and was willing to take his business elsewhere without being a jerk about it.