Pantsless guy on your couch

[BehindBlueI's]

What would be the justification for shooting him?

Many folks on INGO espouse the notion that you don't need any justification other than he's in your house.

 

[GunnerDan]

Many folks on INGO espouse the notion that you don't need any justification other than he's in your house.

I guess technically speaking by the letter of the law, since they are within your curtilage you would be legal in shooting them. Maybe not ethical, but legal, but again IANAL.

Gunner

 

[BehindBlueI's]

How do you lose your pants?

You never got really hot after drinking, or felt like getting cooler would keep you from vomiting? Sometimes you just gotta roll around in the snow in nothing but your boxers.*

Its a real good thing that I was a teen before Facebook and cell phones.

*this message brought to you by BBI's first experience with Seagram's 7

 

[CQB]

Anyone who says they would have shot him immediately is either a liar or an idiot.

Or or a liar AND an idiot.

 

[DOYOUFEELLUCKYPUNK]

A sleeping drunk is no threat. I agree with grab your gun, your phone, call 911, keep the idiot covered, wait until the police arrive, and let them handle the idiot. No need to kill someone for stumbling into the wrong house and falling asleep on the wrong couch. Now all bets are off if someone is beating on my door and they are told to vacate the premises and they dont and finally break thru the door, police called or not, at that point they are a threat and will be dealt with accordingly.

Gunner

Well said

 

[SERparacord]

INGO'ers would shoot step kids, why not a sleeping drunk.

 

[BGDave]

Where did this half naked guy keep his wallet? I also like the "puts the lotion on it's skin, or it gets the hose again".

 

[danielson]

INGO'ers would shoot step kids, why not a sleeping drunk.

With that kind of ability to take things out of context, you must work for the media. If not, perhaps a career change....

 

[red_zr24x4]

For the record, it wasn't me.

Why don't we believe you?..Got an alibi?...

 

[Bunnykid68]

Why don't we believe you?..Got an alibi?...

Depends on what time he was found. I have about 8 hours that I have no witness as to me actually being asleep

 

[hopper68]

Depends on what time he was found. I have about 8 hours that I have no witness as to me actually being asleep

Did you wake up without any pants?? Could have been you.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Many folks on INGO espouse the notion that you don't need any justification other than he's in your house.

I would have to object. In the recent discussion to which I am certain you refer, it was generally assumed that the person was actively breaking in and some seemed to think that it was a prerequisite to clairvoyantly know for certain exactly what the intruder intended to do. Finding a drunk sound asleep on the couch, clothed or otherwise, a la Goldilocks is an unusual and very different situation. Depending on all the good variables, I would either keep an eye on him after calling the police or simply tell him to get his drunk ass out of my house. After all, being asleep generally establishes that the intruder is not preparing to harm anyone (aside from his own public image after the arrest notice hits the paper).

 

[SERparacord]

With that kind of ability to take things out of context, you must work for the media. If not, perhaps a career change....

and ruin my political career!!!!

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I would have to object. In the recent discussion to which I am certain you refer, it was generally assumed that the person was actively breaking in and some seemed to think that it was a prerequisite to clairvoyantly know for certain exactly what the intruder intended to do. Finding a drunk sound asleep on the couch, clothed or otherwise, a la Goldilocks is an unusual and very different situation. Depending on all the good variables, I would either keep an eye on him after calling the police or simply tell him to get his drunk ass out of my house. After all, being asleep generally establishes that the intruder is not preparing to harm anyone (aside from his own public image after the arrest notice hits the paper).

In fact the only way you determine he is a sleeping drunk is to identify the target, which in the other thread is poo-poo's as too time consuming and too dangerous. Even flipping on a light or using a flashlight was poo-poo'd as giving up precious tactical advantage and timing. Taking the time to find out he's a sleeping drunk is just as dangerous as taking the time to find out (s)he's your stepdaughter.

 

[danielson]

and ruin my political career!!!!

That explains it..

 

[hopper68]

In fact the only way you determine he is a sleeping drunk is to identify the target, which in the other thread is poo-poo's as too time consuming and too dangerous. Even flipping on a light or using a flashlight was poo-poo'd as giving up precious tactical advantage and timing. Taking the time to find out he's a sleeping drunk is just as dangerous as taking the time to find out (s)he's your stepdaughter.

I was thinking of those replies when I started this thread in the hope that some would see that not every situation requires shooting somebody.

 

[scootn103]

"Oh, you can THINK about it... but don't do it!"

What a classic .

 

[IndyDave1776]

I was thinking of those replies when I started this thread in the hope that some would see that not every situation requires shooting somebody.

No disagreement here. My problem in the other thread is that one individual who styles himself an expert on the subject was arguing that I am required to definitively know the intentions of the (presumably active and approaching my position) intruder which would literally require clairvoyant powers or else interviewing the intruder, neither of which is going to happen. As I see it, the intruder actively breaking in and approaching my person within the house is an entirely different situation from an unresponsive drunk on the couch sans trousers presumably snoring sounding like a Harley Davidson.

 

[red_zr24x4]

Depends on what time he was found. I have about 8 hours that I have no witness as to me actually wearing pants

^^Fixed it for you^^

 

[lucky4034]

I've been drunk before, so drunk I couldn't walk straight, but I've NEVER lost my pants!

How do you lose your pants?

I've lost my pants but never walked in the wrong house lol